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Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other

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Politics and Religion. We’re not supposed to talk about that, right? Wrong! We only say that nowadays because the loudest, most extreme voices have taken over the whole conversation. Well, we‘re taking some of that space back! If you’re dying for some dialogue instead of all the yelling; if you know it’s okay to have differences without having to hate each other; if you believe politics and religion are too important to let ”the screamers” drown out the rest of us and would love some engaging, provocative and fun conversations about this stuff, then ”Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other” is for you!

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ICYMI: David Brooks on Moral Repair, Friendship, Faith, and the Inner Work of Democracy

4 hours ago

4 hours ago

One of TP&R’s all-time standout conversations—perfect for new listeners discovering the show this week.

In this special ICYMI release, Corey revisits his deeply human, deeply honest conversation with David Brooks—New York Times columnist, bestselling author of The Second Mountain and How to Know a Person, and one of the most thoughtful public voices on moral formation, democracy, and what it takes to live well with one another.

This episode has become a listener favorite not because it’s political in the usual sense… but because it’s personal. Corey and David talk candidly about depression, friendship, loss, faith, identity, community-building, and the inner transformations required for a democratic people to live together without coming apart.

If you’re new to TP&R thanks to the Podbean or Overcast promotions, start here. This is TP&R at its best: honest, vulnerable, intellectually rigorous, and grounded in real moral imagination.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics

[00:00] Corey welcomes new listeners & explains the ICYMI series
[00:02] Introducing David: columnist, author, moral observer
[00:04] On Mets fandom, heartbreak, suffering, and hope
[00:08] Camp friendships, identity formation & “Brooksy”
[00:13] Depression, presence, and “the ministry of ‘that sucks’”
[00:20] Loving presence, bathmats, and practical compassion
[00:23] Growing up Jewish → becoming Christian
[00:30] Jesus as a Jew, a renegade, and a revolutionary in a real historical world
[00:33] Identity, peoplehood, and ambivalence in a time of antisemitism
[00:36] Christianity beyond “the Shire”: Keller, Wehner, Rauch
[00:38] The rise of loneliness, social fragmentation & the birth of Weave
[00:41] Meeting America’s “weavers”: trust-builders & quiet healers
[00:46] David’s writing practice: piles on the floor, synthesis, and deadlines
[00:51] Actors, empathy, and the craft of deeply seeing others
[00:53] The TP&R Question: how do we talk across differences?
[00:57] Moni Guzmán, Crucial Conversations & asking “Why you?”
[00:58] On Michael Gerson, Tim Keller, loss & gratitude
[01:04] How to follow David Brooks and dive deeper into his work

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Presence > solutions. When someone is suffering, the most healing thing isn’t fixing—it’s showing up.

  • Everyone has a soul. David’s turning point toward faith began in a subway station, noticing the invisible depth of every person around him.

  • We need weavers. America’s social fragmentation is being repaired by local, trusted community-builders showing quiet, everyday courage.

  • Curiosity is a moral virtue. Asking “How did you come to believe that?” opens the door to empathy across political and religious divides.

  • Conversation is a craft. Don’t top stories. Don’t multitask attention. Find the disagreement under the disagreement.

  • We inherit peoplehood as much as belief. David discusses living as a Jew ethnically and culturally, even as a practicing Christian.

  • Faith involves ambivalence—but also joy. “If you can believe it three or four days out of ten, believe it with laughter.”

💬 Notable Quotes

  • “Life has not stopped expecting things of you.”

  • “Your first job in conflict is to stand in the other person’s standpoint.”

  • “Presence is the core of friendship—words often fail, but presence doesn’t.”

  • “We’re beggars who tell other beggars where we found bread.”

  • “Jesus wasn’t a wispy Renaissance figure—he was a badass Jewish revolutionary in a world of occupation and revolt.”

  • “The smartest Christians are Jews.” (Brooks, joking-but-not-joking)

  • “Argument is prayer.”

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Something Special for the Holiday: EAST MEETS WEST SPORTS - Cleveland’s QB Gamble & LA’s Power Play

4 days ago

4 days ago

Call it a holiday palate cleanser: today’s TP&R feed features a special drop from East Meets West Sports. Be sure to find this new show on all the apps, follow, rate, review... You know the drill. Enjoy!

Can Shedeur Sanders prove he's “the one” – or is Cleveland just buying time? Meanwhile, LA sports shake things up from the locker room to the front office.

In this riveting holiday edition of East Meets West Sports, Rick Garcia and Corey Nathan dive deep into the buzz surrounding Shedeur Sanders, who made his first NFL start at QB with the Browns amid swirling controversy, legacy baggage, and sky-high expectations. Is he truly “who they’ve been waiting for”—or just the latest victim of hype?

From there, they pivot to LA’s sports scene, dissecting how the Dodgers’ analytics dynasty is reshaping the Lakers’ future following their acquisition. Can a World Series-winning front office build an NBA championship contender?

They round things out with reflections on sports gratitude this Thanksgiving—from New York family traditions to LA playoff dreams.

⏱️ Timestamps & Topics

Time Segment
00:00 – 01:30 🎩 Opening Banter: Rick and Corey reunite, and Corey flaunts his Rumble Ponies pride
01:30 – 04:00 🏈 Shedeur Sanders Debut: Breaking down stats, the media circus, and locker room concerns
04:00 – 07:00 🤔 QB Leadership vs. Hype: What defines a true NFL leader? Can Sanders walk the walk?
07:00 – 11:00 🧠 Circus, Draft Slide & Deshaun's Influence: Why did Shedeur fall to Round 5? Is Watson a help or harm?
11:00 – 14:00 📊 QB Development & Teammate Trust: Kaepernick parallels, coachability & long-term upside
14:00 – 17:00 🧐 Is He the Guy? What the Browns must learn in 6 games—and the stakes of passing on a QB in 2026
17:00 – 19:30 🏀 Lakers Ownership Shift: Dodgers take control, Buss family drama, and a new analytics era
19:30 – 22:00 ⚙️ Baseball to Basketball: Can MLB strategy win in the NBA? Corey’s cautious optimism
22:00 – 25:00 ⚾ Human In, Human Out: How AI parallels the rise of sports analytics
25:00 – 27:00 📈 Legacy of Intuition & Gut Calls: From Dave Roberts to baseball's new age of decision-making
27:00 – 29:00 🙏 Thanksgiving Reflections: Family, sports, tradition, and what the fellas are thankful for
29:00 – End 🦃 Rick’s Gratitude & Wrap-Up: Rams, Dodgers, holiday football, and LA’s big dreams

💡 Notable Highlights

  • Shedeur’s Swagger vs. Substance:
    “I’m who they’ve been looking for.” One game in—and already proclaiming QB supremacy?

  • QB Culture Clash:
    Rick notes: “You don’t want flamboyance from your QB. Save that for wide receivers.”

  • NFL Legacy Trap:
    Draft drop, pre-draft attitude, and comparisons to past one-hit wonders (RG3, Bradford) raise red flags.

  • Dodgers' Takeover of the Lakers:
    What happens when LA’s baseball brains apply their World Series formula to hoops?

  • AI in Sports & Life:
    Introducing the concept of “Human in, Human out” and how analytics need balance with experience—on and off the field.

  • Family, Football & Tradition:
    Corey’s heartfelt story about watching Rangers and Knicks games with his brother continues a family ritual of yelling at the TV—with love.

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Leadership defines quarterbacks.
    It’s not about flash—it's about film study, locker room respect, and consistency under pressure.

  • Cleveland needs answers fast.
    With two first-round picks looming, the Browns must know if Shedeur is the future—or just a phase.

  • Analytics aren't magic.
    LA’s front office shuffle shows promise—but success in one sport doesn’t guarantee it in another.

  • Tradition matters.
    Thanksgiving brings together food, family, and fandom in ways that enrich the sports experience beyond the game.

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Dr. Melissa Deckman on America’s Cracks: Trumpism, Gen Z, and the Faith Factor

6 days ago

6 days ago

What PRRI’s Latest Data Reveals About Our Deepening Divide

In the shadow of rising polarization, this episode dives deep into the latest findings from PRRI's American Values Survey, Trump’s Unprecedented Actions Deepen Asymmetric Divides. Corey is joined by Dr. Melissa Deckman to break down the data—and what it tells us about party loyalty, trust in institutions, Christian nationalism, and shifting norms around religion and identity.

They also unpack how Gen Z is engaging with this cultural landscape, particularly the gender divide between young men and women, and what the term “party agnostic” really means for the next generation of voters.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics

  • [00:00] Welcome & Dr. Deckman’s backstory and PRRI’s mission

  • [00:08] From academia to leading PRRI: a bigger classroom

  • [00:15] Understanding PRRI’s gold-standard polling methods

  • [00:22] Good vs. bad polling: what to watch out for

  • [00:27] Gen Z women, the 2024 elections, and the myth of the “tradwife”

  • [00:33] Why Gen Z is “party agnostic” and focused on issues over institutions

  • [00:40] Masculinity, natalism, and TikTok trends among Gen Z

  • [00:46] The polarization puzzle: institutions, independents, and asymmetric divides

  • [00:53] Christian nationalism’s rise—and resistance

  • [00:58] Who are the “exvangelicals” and why are they leaving?

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Gen Z ≠ monolithic: Gen Z women remain highly progressive; young men are more ideologically mixed

  • Polls aren’t predictions: They’re snapshots, and question design is key

  • Christian nationalism challenges democracy—but pluralism still prevails

  • Exvangelicals leave due to politicization and LGBTQ exclusion

  • Media silos are splitting Gen Z worldviews by gender

💬 Notable Quotes

“We don’t beat up the photographer if the runner in the lead ends up losing. So why do we do that to pollsters?”
“Religion can hinder—but also foster—democracy.”
“Gen Z women are not buying what MAGA is selling.”
“Good polling is as much art as science.”

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Redemption Projects: From Wreckage to Repair

Friday Nov 21, 2025

Friday Nov 21, 2025

Repairing the damage—in our democracy, in our relationships, and in ourselves.

✨ Episode Summary

Let’s talk about redemption—what it really means to repair what’s been broken, whether in our democracy or in our personal lives, and how we can tell the difference between a true apology and just going through the motions. Inspired by a powerful Substack piece by Mike Madrid, we'll reflect on the nuances between performative apologies and genuine repentance, weaving in theological insights, literary references like East of Eden, and real-life examples. We'll consider how we engage with those who have caused harm—and what it means to truly repair what’s broken, especially as Thanksgiving and moments of family reconnection approach.

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🕰️ Timestamps & Topics

  • [00:00] Intro & Shoutouts

    • Thanks to Democracy Group, Village Square, and Masa Wealth Management

    • Announcing new podcast! East Meets West Sports 🏈🏀⚾️

  • [02:00] Mike Madrid’s Provocative Question

    • “Is saying sorry enough?” from The Great Transformation Substack

    • The difference between performative and genuine repentance

  • [04:00] What Does Real Repentance Look Like?

    • Acknowledgment vs. avoidance of harm

    • Lessons from post-Nixon America and January 6th

  • [09:00] The Universal Story of Redemption

    • Biblical framework: Genesis and the role of agency

    • The ongoing "redemption project" from chaos to order

  • [14:00] Steinbeck’s ‘East of Eden’ & the Power of ‘Thou Mayest’ 📖

    • Deep dive into theological and philosophical implications of choice

    • Embracing agency in moral and civic life

  • [17:00] Thanksgiving & Civic Relationships

    • Mending fences in politics and family

    • Why showing up—without drama—matters

  • [21:00] Contrasting Two Real-Life Conflicts

    • When reconciliation is possible vs. when blocking is necessary

    • The limits of forgiveness and ongoing harm

  • [26:00] How to Participate in Civic Redemption

    • Nonviolent resistance and Prop 50 reflections

    • Using political voice without resorting to the tactics we oppose

  • [30:00] A Model of Contrition: Joe Walsh

    • Example of public repentance and political evolution

    • Engaging those who choose to say "I'm sorry"

  • [33:00] When People Don’t Want Redemption

    • The rise of malice-driven political actors

    • What we can control: participating in healing

💡 Notable Quotes

"Sin is a separation from the ideal... but thou mayest overcome it."
— Corey Nathan, referencing East of Eden

"To repair our democracy, we need to repair relationships."

"I believe in God—and even more strongly—I believe I am not God. Which means I’m not perfect."

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Polling, Prop Bets, and Political Truths: Carl Allen Returns

Tuesday Nov 18, 2025

Tuesday Nov 18, 2025

What do you get when a data scientist with a knack for sports betting and political forecasting returns to the pod? A masterclass in what polling can and can't do, how bad assumptions skew our democracy, and why Carl Allen thinks we need to stop blaming the camera for the race result.

In this fascinating, far-ranging convo, Corey and Carl Allen (author of The Polls Weren’t Wrong) break down why political polling is misunderstood, how data intersects with integrity, and where we go from here in the 2026 election cycle.

They also take a surprising detour into MLB match-fixing, sports betting strategies, and how the “edge of the bell curve” reveals more than most talking heads on TV.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics

  • [00:00] Welcome & Carl’s update on his Substack and data research

  • [00:04] MLB pitch-fixing scandal, ethics in sports betting, and data detection

  • [00:10] How Carl became a professional sports bettor—accidentally

  • [00:14] Finding value in rare events: betting baseball home runs and NFL TDs

  • [00:20] Political forecasting vs. polling: "Polls are not predictions"

  • [00:28] Nate Silver, spread fallacies, and the misuse of polling data

  • [00:34] Why undecided and third-party voters break the math

  • [00:43] 2024 election surprises and the power of high voter turnout

  • [00:50] What to watch in 2026: the Senate map, gerrymandering, and candidate quality

  • [00:56] The TP&R question: Building bridges by talking about anything but politics

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Polls ≠ Predictions: A poll is a snapshot, not a forecast. Yet many analysts treat it like a crystal ball.

  • Margins lie: Spread (the difference between candidates in polls) is often misleading—especially when undecided voters are high.

  • Integrity matters: Carl warns that analysts must be consistent—praising predictions that turn out right and taking accountability when wrong.

  • High turnout shifts everything: New Jersey’s 2025 elections showed that even strong vote counts can get dwarfed by record-breaking turnout.

  • Quantifying uncertainty is revolutionary: Understanding what we don’t know is just as important as what we do.

💬 Notable Quotes

“Polls are not predictions of election outcomes. That simple statement contradicts the global consensus.”

“We don't beat up the photographer if the runner in the lead ends up losing. So why do we do that to pollsters?”

“Some two-point leads are better than six-point leads—depending on where you are in the race.”

“Being wrong is fine. Being inconsistent is not.”

“Gerrymandering means leaders get to pick their voters, instead of voters picking their leaders.”

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Against the Noise: Gratitude as a Form of Protest

Friday Nov 14, 2025

Friday Nov 14, 2025

"And now for something completely different..." In a world flooded with outrage and anxiety, taking stock of the good isn’t naive—it’s necessary.

Corey shifts the lens from polarization and pessimism to the power of thankfulness. Amid a flood of bad news and anxiety about the state of democracy, Corey invites listeners to pause and consider what’s good—not in a naive way, but as an intentional act of civic and spiritual grounding.

With stories from his journaling practice, reflections on recent political events, and a few personal notes, Corey makes the case that gratitude isn’t just a feel-good exercise—it’s a form of resistance against despair. 🙏

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⏱️ Timestamps & Topics

  • [00:01:00] The barrage of bad news—and the challenge of staying grounded

  • [00:02:00] Corey's journaling journey: A 15-year practice of gratitude and honesty

  • [00:04:00] Why words matter: On Orwell, cliches, and naming inspiration

  • [00:06:00] No Kings Rally: A powerful expression of peaceful protest

  • [00:09:00] A civic win: Millions gather peacefully with no violence reported

  • [00:11:00] Gratitude for fair elections—even when the results aren't perfect

  • [00:15:00] Corey's fears for 2026—and why this year offers hope

  • [00:17:00] Personal thanks: reading, lifelong friends, family, and meaningful work

  • [00:20:00] A challenge to listeners: What are you grateful for?

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Gratitude requires practice. It’s a discipline that can help reclaim our perspective in chaotic times.

  • Peaceful protest matters. The No Kings Rally offered a model of civic engagement done right.

  • Free and fair elections are not a given. We must recognize and protect them.

  • This work has meaning. Corey reflects on how hosting TP&R has become his most fulfilling vocational endeavor.

  • You have good stuff too. Pause and name what you're thankful for—it might change your day.

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Scripture, Satire, and Silicon Salvation: Lisa Rose Ferrara’s CHRISTBOT

Tuesday Nov 11, 2025

Tuesday Nov 11, 2025

🤖 What happens when an ex-campus minister turned agnostic writes a novel about AI Jesus?

You get this wide-ranging and deeply moving conversation between Corey and Lisa Rose Ferrara—writer of the Substack The Dangling Door and author of the novel CHRISTBOT. Lisa doesn’t just reflect on the absurdities of our sociopolitical moment—she rewrites the rules of faith, technology, and identity with humor and radical compassion.

Lisa shares her journey from devout Catholicism and youth ministry to faith deconstruction and reimagination. We explore how her latest work—a bold novella that envisions Jesus as an AI—offers not just commentary but a challenge to the weaponization of religion.

In this episode, Lisa Rose and Corey dive into:

  • Parenting non-binary children in an age of cultural backlash,

  • How the AI “Christbot” became a vessel for radical empathy,

  • Why she still writes with reverence for scripture despite being agnostic,

  • What it's like growing up around MAGA family while staying grounded in truth and love.

This is a conversation that will shake your theology and maybe even upgrade your soul software.

⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics

[00:00] Welcome & Lisa’s background in design, motherhood, and rediscovering writing
[00:04] From New Jersey to Pennsylvania: raising three kids, two of whom are non-binary
[00:07] Lisa’s early Catholic faith, crisis during youth ministry, and journey to atheism
[00:13] Crafting CHRISTBOT: origin story, character inspirations, and narrative arc
[00:18] AI as theological mirror: using tech, Scripture, and saints to build a digital messiah
[00:24] On dogma, power, and why organized religion fears open-source faith
[00:29] Resistance through satire and the cultural absurdities that fuel her Substack
[00:33] Reflecting on the 2024 election: hope, Gen Z activism, and small-town politics
[00:38] TP&R question: Practicing compassion without requiring belief
[00:44] On family disagreements, MAGA relatives, and bridging political divides
[00:49] Corey’s origin story: from fundamentalist church to conversation bridge-builder
[00:57] Final reflections & Lisa’s upcoming book launch at Black Dog Books (Nov 14!)

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Faith isn’t broken—its weaponization is. Lisa challenges listeners to rethink what it means to believe by showcasing compassion as the central metric, not dogma.

  • Parenting in a polarized world means being present, humble, and fiercely loving—especially when your children’s identities are up for debate.

  • AI + Scripture = Radical Love. CHRISTBOT imagines a digital messiah who quotes Julian of Norwich and says, “Belief is not the price of love.” Yes, please.

  • Satire is spiritual armor. Lisa’s Substack The Dangling Door is her defibrillator for democratic discourse—a way to laugh instead of scream.

  • Compassion transcends belief. Whether you're religious, agnostic, or somewhere in between, practicing empathy without expectation is revolutionary.

💬 Notable Quotes

“Belief is not the price of love. You do not need to believe in me, for me to believe in you.”

“I realized I wasn’t anti-religion. I was anti-weaponization of religion.”

“Faith should be dynamic. It should invite questions, not silence them.”

“Don’t talk about politics and religion? You might as well render me mute.”

“We’re not disagreeing on what we want—just how to get there.”

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Lisa Rose Ferrara on Substack, The Dangling Door — thedanglingdoor.substack.com

Lisa's website: lisaroseferrara.com

You can also buy CHRISTBOT here: bit.ly/christbot_LRF_book

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From Military Police to Soft Secession: Christopher Armitage on Resisting Authoritarian Drift

Friday Nov 07, 2025

Friday Nov 07, 2025

What happens when a former military cop, existentialist philosopher, and Substack firebrand walks into a podcast? You get this riveting conversation between Corey and Christopher Armitage, who pulls no punches when it comes to democracy, resistance, and why “soft secession” might be the only sane response to creeping authoritarianism.

Chris is a U.S. Air Force veteran, former law enforcement officer, prolific writer, and founder of The Existentialist Republic. From his early days in New Jersey wrestling circles to his transformation into an outspoken advocate for “soft secession,” Chris shares deeply personal reflections and bold policy ideas aimed at confronting rising authoritarianism in America.

Through a mix of dark humor, philosophical grounding, and actionable insights, Chris breaks down:

  • What “soft secession” really means (hint: it’s not Civil War 2.0),

  • How localism and economic independence can fortify democracy,

  • What ICE agents, serotonin, and Friedrich Nietzsche have in common,

  • And why writing with relentless truth might be the ultimate form of resistance.

This isn’t just another political chat—it’s a defibrillator for the democratic spirit.

⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics

[00:00] Welcome & Chris’s multi-faceted background
[00:04] Jersey roots, high school wrestling, and joining the Air Force
[00:07] Serving as military police & navigating mental health in public service
[00:13] From law enforcement to Substack: becoming a full-time writer
[00:16] On Project 2025, ICE, authoritarianism, and systemic corruption
[00:24] What is “soft secession” and why does it matter now?
[00:29] Holding federal tax dollars in escrow — a controversial idea
[00:33] Learning from Viktor Orbán, The Troubles, and global democracies
[00:38] ICE overreach, due process violations, and local accountability
[00:45] TP&R question: Can we still talk across our differences?
[00:49] Dopamine vs. serotonin: the brain chemistry of politics
[00:52] Final reflections: Hope, joy, and being a rebel for the good

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Soft secession isn’t about seceding from the union—it’s about building parallel structures and asserting state sovereignty when the federal government becomes illegitimate or abusive.

  • Existentialism offers a philosophical lens to grapple with despair, absurdity, and the need for personal responsibility in chaotic times.

  • Corruption isn't abstract: Christopher outlines how hundreds of billions have been diverted from essential services like SNAP and SSI under the current regime.

  • Local action is powerful: From holding ICE agents accountable to auditing tax fund allocation, states and municipalities are not powerless.

  • We must resist with joy: Even amid chaos, fostering joy, community, and purpose is essential—both for resilience and resistance.

💬 Notable Quotes

“We're not losing democracy. Federal democracy is pretty much dead. The Constitution is dead. But that doesn't mean we can't still build something better.”

“It's not about labeling this fascism or kleptocracy—it's about calling it what it is: bad.”

“Let the zealots win, and we’re cooked. But if rational people care more, we still have a chance.”

“Serotonin levels rise when you feel seen and heard. Listening might actually be the antidote to polarization.”

“Put ICE agents in handcuffs if they break the law. It’s that simple.”

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5 Boundaries That Signal It’s Time to Walk Away From Toxic Dialogue

Tuesday Nov 04, 2025

Tuesday Nov 04, 2025

Not every relationship can—or should—be salvaged. In this solo episode, Corey shares a personal story and outlines five unmistakable red flags that tell you it’s time to step back to protect your peace.

Sometimes, staying in the conversation means knowing when to step away. In this raw and introspective solo episode, host Corey Nathan opens up about a deeply personal encounter that pushed him to confront a painful question: When is it time to “unfriend” someone—really unfriend them?

With vulnerability and clarity, Corey unpacks a recent experience with someone who crossed multiple emotional and ideological lines. What begins as a story about a text thread gone wrong unfolds into a thoughtful reflection on the emotional cost of dialogue, the importance of mutual respect, and the red lines we all must define for ourselves if we're to stay sane and whole in polarized times.

If you’ve ever wrestled with staying true to your values while trying to build bridges, this episode will resonate deeply. 🙏

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  • [00:01:00] The No Kings Rally: A peaceful protest, misunderstood
  • [00:02:30] A late-night text spirals into an ugly confrontation
  • [00:05:00] Is it ever okay to hit “unfriend” in real life?
  • [00:06:30] The five red flags that made Corey draw a boundary
  • [00:09:00] Mocking entire groups: prejudice by another name
  • [00:11:00] Misconstrued views and a lack of genuine curiosity
  • [00:13:00] “That which labels me, negates me” — on being dehumanized
  • [00:16:00] The false logic of guilt by association
  • [00:18:30] Why it’s not about trans athletes or guns—it’s about bigotry
  • [00:20:00] Setting limits to protect your peace
  • [00:23:30] “Know thyself”: Taking inventory of your boundaries
  • [00:25:00] No perfection, just progress—why this journey is still worth it

🧠 Key Takeaways

There is a line. Even bridge-builders have boundaries. It's okay to step back when a relationship becomes toxic.

Not all disagreement is dialogue. Genuine curiosity and respect are the bare minimum for constructive conversation.

Bigotry wears many faces. When someone mocks an entire group, it's not “opinion”—it's prejudice.

You don’t have to account for others’ sins. Being mislabeled or forced to explain someone else’s actions is unjust.

This is a journey. Corey doesn't claim to have it all figured out—but he's committed to showing up with humility and honesty.

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Is Democracy Backsliding? David A. Graham on Power, Press, and What Comes Next

Friday Oct 31, 2025

Friday Oct 31, 2025

From Project 2025 to creeping authoritarianism, Atlantic journalist David A. Graham lays out the threats to democracy — and why he still believes it's worth defending.

Glad to have this timely conversation with David A. Graham, staff writer at The Atlantic, author of the Atlantic Daily newsletter, and the mind behind two major works: THE PROJECT: How Project 2025 Is Reshaping America and his latest featured story in THE ATLANTIC, Donald Trump's Plan to Subvert the Midterms Is Already Underway.

In this jam-packed discussion, David breaks down the real-world impact of Project 2025, why competitive authoritarianism isn’t just for foreign regimes anymore, and what history can teach us about the fragility—and resilience—of American democracy. 

We also explore David's deep love for jazz and Americana music, his reflections on faith and public discourse, and how local connections might be the key to healing national divides.

This is not a story about doom. It’s about awareness, preparedness, and the people working behind the scenes to protect democracy.

 

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⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics

  • [00:00] Intro, Substack shoutout, and meeting David A. Graham

  • [00:02] Early influences: NPR, Gulf War, and the writing bug

  • [00:05] Becoming a journalist — college newsroom days at Duke

  • [00:07] Learning by doing (and some good editors)

  • [00:09] AI, writing, and the ethics of journalistic tools

  • [00:13] Who were Karen Blumenthal and John F. Burness?

  • [00:14] Project 2025 and what it means for executive power

  • [00:18] Who are Paul Dans and Russell Vought — and why they matter

  • [00:24] Is this constitutional? Checks, balances, and the Founders’ intent

  • [00:27] Future scenarios: Trump, DOJ, FBI, and election chaos

  • [00:30] Local election workers: the unsung heroes of democracy

  • [00:34] Competitive authoritarianism: what it is and where we are

  • [00:39] Talking faith, politics — and jazz! 🎷

  • [00:43] From Coltrane to Dylan to pedal steel guitar

  • [00:46] The TP&R Question: Can we still talk across differences?

  • [00:50] What David is reading, writing, and reflecting on now

 

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Project 2025 isn’t just policy — it’s about reshaping how power works.

  • Competitive authoritarianism is creeping into American life — but it's not too late.

  • Localism may be our best antidote to national polarization.

  • Great journalism starts with great questions (and good editors).

  • The antidote to disinformation? Better, more human conversations.

 

💬 Notable Quotes

“Do you want one person—who might not even be in your party—to have this much power?” 

“I’m fundamentally an institutionalist. Stability, history, and norms matter.”

“The opposite of authoritarianism isn’t just elections — it’s fairness, accountability, and a level playing field.”

“We have to update our idea of what authoritarianism looks like. It’s not always tanks in the street.”

 

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LB Prevette on Weave, Rural Belonging, and Why “You Won’t Hurt Alone.”

Tuesday Oct 28, 2025

Tuesday Oct 28, 2025

How one rural weaver is helping neighbors feel seen, supported, and connected in Wilkes County, NC — and what we can learn from her example.

We are kicking off something special.

This episode is the first in a new ongoing series highlighting Weavers — local leaders around the country who are rebuilding trust and community from the ground up through Weave: The Social Fabric Project (weavers.org).

Our inaugural guest is LB Prevette — a “rural rejuvenator,” community connector, and what she jokingly (but truthfully) calls an “aggressive friend.” LB is based in Wilkes County, North Carolina, where she works to create safe, inclusive, deeply rooted community spaces for queer youth, neighbors in recovery, families, and folks who don’t always feel seen in small-town America.

We talk about what it means to leave home — and to return to it.
We talk about pain, belonging, queerness in Appalachia, rebuilding trust one relationship at a time, and why community isn’t built in speeches — it’s built in porches, casseroles, group texts, and checking in at the exact moment someone needs it.

And we talk about Merle’s — the community bar / gathering space LB helped co-found — a place that feels less like a bar and more like your cool aunt’s house party where everyone belongs.

This is not a story about charity. It’s a story about returning to each other.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics

[00:00] Intro + Substack + meet LB (and Frank the golden doodle)
[00:04] Appalachia or Appalachia? Why language matters to belonging
[00:07] Growing up queer in rural North Carolina
[00:12] When safety turns into fear — and leaving becomes survival
[00:19] Learning to listen: from call centers to community care
[00:23] How to know when you're not in a good-faith conversation
[00:27] Leaving home — and then being called back
[00:30] Losing her father & returning to the farm
[00:37] “You won’t hurt alone” — redefining community care
[00:39] What Weavers are — and why they matter
[00:41] The Weaver Awards: funding the small, human things
[00:43] Touch-a-Truck, inclusive playgrounds, mountain bikes & connection
[00:46] Merle’s: a bar that’s secretly a community center
[00:47] The TP&R Question: How do we talk across differences?
[00:55] How to find LB + how to get involved with Weave

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Community is built in the ordinary.
    Coffee, casseroles, reading groups, riding bikes — the small everyday acts are the work.

  • The opposite of loneliness isn’t popularity — it’s belonging.
    Belonging comes from being known — not just included.

  • You don’t have to fix everything. Just refuse to let people hurt alone.

  • Listening is a skill — and it can be learned.
    Especially when emotions run high.

  • We cannot make ourselves less queer, or less Black, or less immigrant, to be safe.
    We have to make the world safer.

💬 Notable Quotes

“You won’t hurt alone.” — LB Prevette

“If I can go far enough back, I think all people are good.
If I don’t understand what you’re saying, that means I need to ask another question.” — LB Prevette

“If we’re worried our kids won’t be safe being queer, the solution isn’t to make our kids straighter. It’s to make the world kinder.” — LB Prevette

“Sometimes the bravest thing you can do is just show up again.” — LB Prevette

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ICYMI: Mike Madrid on Baseball, Family, and the Soul of America

Friday Oct 24, 2025

Friday Oct 24, 2025

Where baseball, family, and democracy meet — Mike Madrid reminds us what’s worth fighting for in America.

If you didn't catch our most recent conversation with friend of the pod, Mike Madrid, well... where were ya? We recorded this one right around July 4th and it's still on point! What'd ya expect with the brilliant Mike Madrid?!?!

So join us in welcoming back political consultant, author, and Substack contributor Mike Madrid. A renowned expert on Latino voters and co-founder of the Lincoln Project, Mike brings his profound insights on American politics, identity, and democracy. Together, Corey and Mike explore deeply personal stories, historical context, and present-day political dynamics, all while weaving in the emotional fabric that connects generations and communities.

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What We Discuss:

  • The significance of personal and familial stories in shaping political perspective

  • How Latino voters are reshaping American democracy

  • The danger of authoritarian tendencies in U.S. governance

  • Economic populism across ideological divides

  • The importance of understanding and communicating with working-class communities

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:04:00] Mike Madrid shares a personal story of grief and connection through a pilgrimage to Madrid, New Mexico

  • [00:08:00] Baseball as a bridge between generations and its deeper cultural significance

  • [00:14:00] Inhumane immigration enforcement and its implications on American identity

  • [00:22:00] A discussion on whether America is at a turning point for its soul and values

  • [00:33:00] Vertical balance of power: Newsom vs. federal overreach in L.A. protests

  • [00:45:00] Latino voters' top concerns: economy, housing, and healthcare

  • [00:53:00] Economic populism through Ruben Gallego and Zoran Mamdani's campaigns

  • [01:03:00] How to talk about politics and religion without killin' each other

Featured Quotes:

  • "Sometimes the stories we tell ourselves matter more than the facts we can verify." – Mike Madrid

  • "This is our American story now. This is who we are... and if we're not speaking out, then we are individually complicit in it." – Mike Madrid

  • "These are the moments when character is defined." – Mike Madrid

  • "The best way to talk about politics and religion is to not talk about it through the lens of politics and religion." – Mike Madrid

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Silencing the Press, Politicizing the Military: Col. David Lapan Isn’t Having It

Tuesday Oct 21, 2025

Tuesday Oct 21, 2025

“The North Star is the truth. Tell it. And if you can’t, explain why.” — Col. David Lapan (Ret.)

We had the distinct honor of sitting down with Colonel David Lapan, retired Marine and former spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, Secretaries of Defense, and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In a wide-ranging, timely conversation, Colonel Lapan unpacks the critical balance between national security and democratic accountability, the dangers of politicizing the military, and how press freedom strengthens—not weakens—our institutions.

We delve into his 30+ years of military service, his pivotal role in launching the media embed program during the Iraq War, and why he left DHS during the Trump administration. Lapan also shares pointed thoughts on recent efforts to restrict Pentagon press access and the implications of political theater in national defense.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics:

  • [00:00:00] Intro to Colonel David Lapan and the state of hockey 🏒

  • [00:04:00] From college dropout to enlisted Marine to colonel

  • [00:07:00] Journalism roots and shift into public affairs

  • [00:09:00] Inside the Pentagon pre- and post-9/11

  • [00:12:00] Designing the media embed program for Iraq

  • [00:16:00] Why press transparency during war matters

  • [00:23:00] Serving as press secretary under Secretary John Kelly at DHS

  • [00:27:00] Why Lapan resigned: integrity vs. political pressure

  • [00:34:00] What “tell the truth” means in government service

  • [00:38:00] Recent restrictions on Pentagon press corps

  • [00:47:00] Defending the First Amendment in uniform

  • [00:56:00] Critiquing the theater of recent military briefings

  • [01:03:00] The risks of poorly trained federal agents

  • [01:06:00] How polarization affects veterans and service members

  • [01:09:00] Final thoughts: can we still talk across differences?

🧠 Key Takeaways:

  • Truth Above All: “The North Star is the truth” is not just a slogan—it's a standard for ethical public service.

  • Press Isn’t the Enemy: Limiting access and controlling narratives damages democracy and military credibility.

  • Political Theater Has Real Costs: Grandstanding undermines military readiness and public trust.

  • Good People, Hard Choices: Many principled professionals served during the Trump administration—and some had to walk away.

  • Courage Comes in Many Forms: Sometimes that means resisting pressure to spin or mislead.

💬 Notable Quotes:

  • “Being a Marine doesn’t mean shutting up—it means standing up for what’s right.” — Col. David Lapan

  • “We’ve defended the Constitution our whole lives. Now we’re watching it be trampled from within.” — Col. David Lapan

  • “Reporters aren’t the problem. Lack of transparency is.” — Col. David Lapan

  • “You don't protect the country by hiding the truth from its people.” — Col. David Lapan

     

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Fighting Division One Conversation at a Time

Friday Oct 17, 2025

Friday Oct 17, 2025

Surviving Triangulation in a Polarized World

It's time to reckon with one of the toughest questions in our current public discourse: “How can you think that?” Through stories from his personal and professional life, host Corey Nathan unpacks the emotionally draining phenomenon of triangulation—when we’re caught in the middle of opposing viewpoints—and explores how we can respond with curiosity and conviction without losing our sanity.

From navigating impossible conversations to confronting conspiracy theories (like the FBI staging Jan. 6?!), Corey challenges listeners to stay in tough conversations while guarding their own well-being. Drawing inspiration from a powerful essay by Christopher Armitage on The Existentialist Republic, this episode dives into the psychology of belief, the cost of defection from "reality bubbles," and the quiet strength of one-degree influence.

Whether you're a peacemaker, bridge-builder, or just trying to keep your sanity in polarized times, this one’s for you. 🙏

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⏱️ Timestamps & Topics

  • [00:00:00] 🎧 Intro: What drives Corey bananas? Triangulation!

  • [00:01:30] What triangulation really looks like in everyday life

  • [00:03:00] Caught in the crossfire: The emotional toll of being “the middle guy”

  • [00:05:00] 🤯 “How can you think that?” — when conspiracy logic collapses

  • [00:08:00] Discovering The Existentialist Republic and its insights

  • [00:10:00] Armitage on why people cling to destructive systems

  • [00:12:00] Humility, bubbles, and the danger of total delegitimization

  • [00:13:30] 💬 “Not much. But not nothing.” — The power of one degree

  • [00:15:00] Living in the age of triangulation without losing your soul

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Triangulation Hurts: Being the middle person between two polarized groups can feel like being dragged into an emotional war.

  • The Power of Presence: Staying in relationship—even with those we disagree with—gives us the chance to be heard and to listen.

  • One-Degree Influence Matters: A single thoughtful question can shift someone’s perspective more than a thousand arguments.

  • Belief Systems Are Sticky: It’s costly—psychologically and socially—for people to change their minds, especially within closed systems.

  • Stay Gentle, Stay Grounded: Keep showing up with love, humility, and curiosity. That’s how change begins.

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🎙️ Transforming Systems, Not Just Souls — with Dr. Kurt Ver Beek

Tuesday Oct 14, 2025

Tuesday Oct 14, 2025

"If we lived in the poorest, most dangerous neighborhoods, we’d understand better how to love and serve." — Dr. Kurt Ver Beek

It was great to sit down with Dr. Kurt Ver Beek, co-founder of the Association for a More Just Society (ASJ), who has lived and worked in Honduras for nearly four decades. From battling systemic corruption to reducing the homicide rate in one of the world’s most dangerous communities, Kurt shares a riveting account of faith in action and public justice rooted in Christian conviction.

We explore the difference between traditional missionary work and systemic transformation, how theological frameworks can drive bold action, and why brave Christianity is needed now more than ever.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics:

  • [00:00:00] Introduction to Dr. Kurt Ver Beek and ASJ

  • [00:01:00] Childhood influences: Christian values and political curiosity

  • [00:04:00] Faith formation and a growing “allergy” to injustice

  • [00:08:00] Moving beyond charity to systemic change

  • [00:14:00] What it really means to "help the poor"

  • [00:23:00] Corruption, extortion, and the story of a neighborhood pillow maker

  • [00:29:00] How three hired staff helped significantly reduce local homicides

  • [00:34:00] Raising funds for justice: why it’s not as hard as people think

  • [00:40:00] Theology of safety vs. theology of love and proximity

  • [00:47:00] Political influence without being politically compromised

  • [00:53:00] From 113 to 218 school days: measurable education reform

  • [01:00:00] What we can do: curiosity, courage, and conversation

  • [01:02:00] Practicing politics and faith with gentleness and respect

🧠 Key Takeaways:

  • Systemic Change Is Possible: Justice doesn't always take decades. Hiring an ex-cop and a lawyer helped reduce homicides dramatically.

  • Faith Isn’t Just About Sundays: Living out the Gospel means transforming systems that harm the vulnerable.

  • Corruption and Violence Are Addressable: Real change can happen when Christians take bold, strategic action.

  • Don’t Underestimate Funders: Donors care about results — and systemic justice produces them.

  • Bravery Is Biblical: The call to be brave Christians isn’t optional — it’s essential.

💬 Notable Quotes:

“Being a Christian doesn't have to look like what many young people see today.” — Kurt Ver Beek
“The lie is that systemic change is too hard — it’s not. It just takes brave Christians.” — Kurt Ver Beek
“No place in the Bible does it say to be safe. It says to love your neighbor.” — Kurt Ver Beek
“Be curious. Listen better. People aren't as crazy as you think.” — Kurt Ver Beek

📚 Mentioned Books and Resources:

  • 📖 Call for Justice by Kurt Ver Beek & Nicholas Wolterstorff

  • 📘 Bear Witness by Ross Halpern – (Kurt says it’s “90% on the money!”)

  • 🌐 Learn more about ASJ: asj-us.org

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🎙️ Back to Basics: When to Engage, When to Walk Away

Friday Oct 10, 2025

Friday Oct 10, 2025

A candid reflection on staying grounded while engaging in contentious conversations—and when to take a step back.

✨ Episode Summary

In this heartfelt solo talk, host Corey Nathan goes back to the fundamentals of Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other. Reflecting on recent emotionally charged interactions—some painfully personal—Corey revisits five foundational principles that guide his conversations and this podcast’s mission.

He opens up about the emotional toll of receiving attacks from opposing sides of the political and religious spectrum and how even with years of practice, the work of engaging respectfully remains challenging and ongoing.

Here are the five essentials Corey leans into when the temperature rises:

👉 Practice what you preach
👉 Contest or conversation? Know the difference.
👉 Articulate others’ views well.
👉 Sometimes, take it offline.
👉 Know when to walk away.

This isn’t just theory—it’s a personal reckoning, with honesty, humility, and yes, some humor too. 

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⏱️ Timestamps & Topics

  • [00:00:00] 🎧 Intro: Hockey talk, Rangers vs. Kings, and a shout-out to The Democracy Group

  • [00:02:00] Recent conversations that challenged Corey’s peace and patience

  • [00:03:00] On being attacked by voices from both extremes of the Israel-Gaza conflict

  • [00:06:00] Recognizing how giving space to others can draw heat—sometimes from all sides

  • [00:07:30] The emotional cost of staying in these conversations

  • [00:08:00] Going “Back to Basics”: Five principles to guide tough discussions

  • [00:09:00] #1: Practice what you preach—even when it’s hard

  • [00:10:00] #2: Contest or conversation? Choose wisely.

  • [00:12:00] #3: Articulate others’ views honestly, even when you disagree

  • [00:14:00] #4: Sometimes take it offline to preserve dignity and connection

  • [00:17:00] #5: Know when to walk away—because not everyone deserves your time

  • [00:20:00] Closing: Still learning, still growing, still hoping for peace

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • See Other's Humanity: Engage with people as individuals, not as representatives of an ideology.

  • Not Every Fight is Worth Fighting: Sometimes, disengagement is a form of self-care and wisdom.

  • Curiosity Builds Bridges: Ask real questions. Seek understanding, not just rebuttals.

  • There’s Power in Saying “No More”: Knowing your limits is an act of strength, not weakness.

  • The Work is Ongoing: This isn’t about perfection—it’s about commitment to grow and do better.

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Justin Giboney on the Black Church, Civic Courage, and Healing Our Divides

Tuesday Oct 07, 2025

Tuesday Oct 07, 2025

Exploring how Christian conviction and civic love — inspired by the faith of Willie Faye and Mahalia Jackson’s generation — can transcend political tribalism.

🔥 Episode Summary

Grateful to welcome Justin Giboney, an ordained minister, attorney, and co-founder of the AND Campaign. Justin shares his faith journey, the genesis of the AND Campaign, and his new book, Don't Let Nobody Turn You Around: How the Black Church’s Public Witness Leads Us Out of the Culture War. Together, we explore how faith can ground political engagement, challenge tribalism, and offer a better way forward rooted in compassion, conviction, and moral imagination.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Key Topics

  • [00:00:00] Intro to the show and our guest Justin E. Giboney

  • [00:01:00] Justin’s background: faith, family, football, and public life

  • [00:03:00] Raising three boys in Georgia and coaching youth football 🏈

  • [00:04:00] Justin’s college years at Vanderbilt and struggles with faith

  • [00:06:00] Returning to faith and the influence of family, especially Willie Faye

  • [00:08:00] Learning from personal crossroads: sports injury, law, and political work

  • [00:10:00] Beginning the AND Campaign: from political activism to movement leadership

  • [00:13:00] The legacy of the Civil Rights era and moral imagination

  • [00:16:00] Political tribalism, Christian engagement, and party alignment

  • [00:22:00] Core principles of the AND Campaign and engaging as a faithful Christian

  • [00:25:00] Civic pluralism: persuading without imposing faith

  • [00:27:00] Importance of relationships over culture war ideology

  • [00:34:00] Honest critiques of progressivism and conservatism

  • [00:43:00] Addiction to outrage and the loss of moral clarity

  • [00:51:00] Opposition-centered engagement and political virtue signaling

  • [00:56:00] Final thoughts on leadership, truth, and compassion

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Faith Requires Courage: Being a faithful Christian in the public square demands moral clarity, humility, and the ability to stand apart from political allegiances.

  • Reject Political Tribalism: Christians must transcend party lines and speak truth to power, even to their own political "side."

  • Moral Imagination Is Essential: The ability to imagine what ought to be—especially in times of conflict—is the key to compassionate and just civic engagement.

  • Civil Rights Generation as a Model: Justin draws inspiration from the faith, resilience, and clarity of leaders like his grandmother Willie Faye and Mahalia Jackson.

  • Opposition-Centered Engagement is Toxic: Defining oneself solely by opposition to the "other side" leads to shallow, reactive politics.

💬 Notable Quotes

“Discipleship isn’t easy—and loving your neighbor especially when it’s hard, is where the Gospel really comes alive.”
— Justin Giboney

“If the Civil Rights generation could love their enemies with hoses and bombs aimed at them, we can love ours with tweets and outrage.”
— Justin Giboney

“True leadership today means turning around and telling your side what it needs to do better.”
— Justin Giboney

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Cursing, Criticism, and the Conversations Worth Keeping

Friday Oct 03, 2025

Friday Oct 03, 2025

A raw look at which relationships and conversations are worth our time—and when to just say f* it.

✨ Episode Summary

In this candid, off-the-cuff talk, Corey wrestles with a series of deeply personal and philosophical questions that lie at the heart of this progam’s mission:
👉 Which conversations are worth pursuing?
👉 Which relationships are worth nurturing?
👉 And at what point should we walk away for the sake of our own peace—and the greater good?

From fielding scriptural "shard attacks" for using colorful language to being targeted with assumptions rooted in ignorance and bigotry, Corey lays bare some inner conflicts with vulnerability, humor, and, yes, a few well-placed f-bombs. This isn't just an airing of grievances—it's an invitation to reflect on how we can all be fountains, not drains in a world sorely in need of healing.

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⏱️ Timestamps & Topics

  • [00:00:00] Intro, shout-out to Substack community & podcast housekeeping

  • [00:02:00] ⚾ Quick tangent: Brooklyn Cyclones, Mets fandom, and hope for the future

  • [00:03:00] Opening big questions: What convos and relationships are worth it?

  • [00:04:00] Story #1: Being called out for cursing—and Corey's take on "Christian language policing"

  • [00:07:00] Righteous anger, proof-texting, and weaponizing Scripture

  • [00:09:00] Story #2: Encountering prejudice disguised as critique

  • [00:12:00] Recounting meaningful dialogue with Lisa Sharon Harper as a contrast

  • [00:14:00] Deep pain, generational trauma, and the erasure of Jewish identity

  • [00:17:00] Hatefulness vs. ignorance—where do we draw the line?

  • [00:18:30] Who gets to be in the “cool kids club” of social justice discourse?

  • [00:19:30] Questions to the audience: Are we fountains or drains in this world?

  • [00:20:00] Final thoughts: Owning the heat, seeking feedback, and doing better

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Language vs. Intent: A well-placed curse word shouldn’t overshadow a meaningful, vulnerable message.

  • Weaponizing Scripture: Proof-texting undermines the depth and context of sacred texts—and can be deeply harmful.

  • Bigotry in Disguise: Assumptions based on skin tone or identity reduce complex histories and humanity to dangerous stereotypes.

  • Be a Fountain, Not a Drain: Ask yourself—are your words and actions contributing to tikkun olam (repairing the world), or draining its soul?

  • Not Every Battle is Yours: Sometimes walking away is an act of wisdom and self-preservation, not cowardice.

📖 Bonus Reading

  • Proverbs 31 vs Proverbs 27: Woman of valor or dripping faucet? Decide for yourself.

  • George Washington’s Farewell Address: Surprisingly prophetic in its warnings about factionalism.

  • Tikkun Olam: Explore the Jewish concept of repairing the world and how it applies to today’s discourse.

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Inside Heterodox Academy: Jonathan Rauch and Liz Joyner on Reclaiming Truth in a Fractured Democracy

Tuesday Sep 30, 2025

Tuesday Sep 30, 2025

Why defending viewpoint diversity might be the most radical—and necessary—act in higher education today.

🎧 Episode Summary

What a treat to welcome two leading voices in the fight for viewpoint diversity and constructive civic dialogue: Jonathan Rauch, senior fellow at Brookings and author of The Constitution of Knowledge, and Liz Joyner, founder of The Village Square.

As board members of Heterodox Academy (HxA), Jon and Liz unpack the organization’s mission to restore open inquiry and truth-seeking within higher education—and how these values are essential to preserving our democracy at large. With personal stories, sharp analysis, and even a few laughs, they explore what we each can do to counter the ecosystem of illiberalism and strengthen the social fabric.

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🕰️ Timestamps & Topics

  • [00:00:00] Intro: What’s broken in our democracy and how we fix it

  • [00:01:00] Meet the guests: Jonathan Rauch and Liz Joyner

  • [00:03:00] What is Heterodox Academy and how did it begin?

  • [00:06:00] Rauch on early signs of "wokeness" and Kindly Inquisitors

  • [00:08:00] Joyner’s grassroots experience with ideological diversity at Village Square

  • [00:10:00] The "ecosystem of illiberalism" and why liberal principles matter

  • [00:15:00] Can HxA help defend against external political coercion?

  • [00:20:00] Are we headed toward institutional collapse or renewal?

  • [00:25:00] Speech vs. coercion: The cultural and legal frontlines

  • [00:33:00] Personal costs of speaking out: Corey’s Chappelle story

  • [00:36:00] What should institutions do to defend free speech?

  • [00:39:00] On the Trump administration’s authoritarian tactics

  • [00:45:00] Fears for 2026 and 2028 elections

  • [00:48:00] Signs of progress: Academic reform, FIRE, and HxA programs

  • [00:54:00] How to break the cycle of intolerance

  • [00:56:00] How do we actually talk to people who disagree?

  • [01:01:00] "Love people back into communion with liberalism"

  • [01:08:00] The local vs. national divide—learning from LA’s fires & ICE raids

  • [01:14:00] Final reflections: Reclaiming truth, curiosity, and compassion

💡 Key Takeaways

  • Liberalism needs defenders: Jon reminds us that truth-seeking demands criticism—and that “criticism hurts, but it’s necessary.”

  • Civic spaces matter: Liz underscores the importance of local, respectful dialogue and building trust before crisis hits.

  • The ecosystem is the problem: Illiberalism isn't coming from just one side; it’s a reactive spiral we must all help disrupt.

  • Institutions must hold firm: It's not disagreement that's dangerous—it's coercion by powerful entities that silence dissent.

  • Each of us has a role: From book clubs to coffee shops, we can all “love people back into communion with liberalism.”

🧠 Notable Quotes

🗣️ “We are better together. A diverse people can self-govern—if we protect the institutions that help us do so.” – Liz Joyner

🧠 “If I’m talking, I’m not learning. If I’m listening, I probably am.” – Jonathan Rauch

❤️ “What I’d like you to talk about today is how we can love people back into communion with liberalism.” – Quoting Jonathan V. Last (via Liz Joyner)

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🎙️ THEY Didn't Do It – A Candid Call for Accountability

Friday Sep 26, 2025

Friday Sep 26, 2025

In times of national tragedy, can we resist the urge to turn our grief into political ammo? Sadly, our current leaders can't seem to find their better angels. So who's gonna do the right thing?

🧭 Episode Summary

Fair warning: Your trusty friend and host is a little hot under the collar on this one. We're addressing the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination and the toxic political blame game that followed. Corey dismantles the knee-jerk scapegoating by political leaders—particularly from the Trump administration—and calls for a return to civility, empathy, and individual responsibility.

Drawing inspiration from great American leaders such as Lincoln, Douglass, MLK, Reagan, and Jack Kemp, Corey urges listeners to rise above the “us vs. them” narrative and engage in meaningful conversations across ideological divides. This isn’t just a podcast—it’s a wake-up call for moral courage and collective healing.

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🕰️ Timestamps & Highlights

Time Topic
00:00 🎙️ Introduction & what's bugging Corey today
01:30 ⚖️ Criticism of current leadership’s divisive rhetoric post-tragedy
03:00 🔥 “They didn’t do it.” – the central thesis
05:30 🧠 Why scapegoating is dangerous and lazy
06:00 🗣️ Quotes from historical leaders on unity
08:00 🙌 Remembering real conservatism and integrity in leadership
10:00 💰 A quick word about sponsor: Meza Wealth Management
11:00 🧍‍♂️ One-on-one conversations > tribal politics
13:00 🧘 Rejecting polarization and choosing relationship over rage
15:00 ❓ How to ask genuine questions without interrogating
17:00 ✡️ Tikkun Olam – the Jewish concept of healing the world
18:00 🧭 Final thoughts: Courage, not cowardice, builds bridges
19:00 🙏 Outro: Feedback, Substack, YouTube, and a call to respectful conversation

💡 Key Takeaways

  • “They didn’t do it”: One person is responsible for a crime—not an entire political party or ideology.

  • Scapegoating is intellectually and morally lazy; real leadership seeks unity, not division.

  • History holds better role models: From Lincoln to Reagan, great leaders have called for reconciliation, not retaliation.

  • Genuine conversations with those who think differently are the antidote to political polarization.

  • Tikkun Olam: We each have a responsibility to repair the world—one action, one conversation at a time.

📢 Notable Quotes

🗨️ “Scapegoating is cowardice. It’s morally and intellectually lazy.”

🗨️ “They didn’t do it. An individual did.”

🗨️ “If grief morphs into blaming anyone who voted differently than you, that’s not mourning—that’s scapegoating.”

🗨️ “We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies.” – Abraham Lincoln

🗨️ “Democracy without respect for the dignity of each individual is not democracy at all.” – Jack Kemp

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Dr. Beth Allison Barr on Women, Power, and the Pastor’s Wife Problem in Evangelicalism

Tuesday Sep 23, 2025

Tuesday Sep 23, 2025

What if the role of “pastor’s wife” wasn’t biblical at all, but a cultural invention that sidelined women from ministry? Dr. Beth Allison Barr pulls back the curtain on how power, patriarchy, and politics shaped Evangelical churches—and why reclaiming women’s voices could change everything.

Episode Summary

So glad to sit down with Dr. Beth Allison Barr—medievalist, church historian, and author of The Making of Biblical Womanhood and Becoming the Pastor’s Wife—for a candid conversation about faith, history, evangelical subcultures, and women’s leadership in the church. Beth traces how the modern “pastor’s wife” role emerged alongside the decline of women’s ordination, shows how women have always done pastoral work, and offers grounded, hope-filled ways to talk across differences in a volatile moment.

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Timestamps

  • 00:00 — Introductions & context. Beth’s scholarship, books, UK ties; growing up in a Bible-saturated town and how her kids encountered questions of faith earlier than she did.

  • 05:00 — Faith in action vs. attendance. Story of her son choosing hands-on ministry with Mission Waco / Church Under the Bridge and serving the unhoused.

  • 08:00 — History’s ballast in turbulent times. Democracy’s fragility, finding joy, and why she stays to “fight for a country I believe in.”

  • 16:45 — Responding to political violence. Grieving a public figure’s death, fearing the blame game, and the dangers of escalation.

  • 24:00 — Media myths & “those people.” How conspiratorial frames dehumanize.

  • 25:00 — Dobson, MacArthur & evangelical father-figures. The guru dynamic, platformed authority, and downstream damage.

  • 29:00 — Why this book. From Making of Biblical Womanhood to the historical link between pastor’s wives and the decline of women’s ordination.

  • 32:00 — “There are no male pastors in the Bible either.” Pastor as a modern construct; early church roles were gifts and functions, not a job title.

  • 36:30 — Phoebe, Junia & collaborative authorship. The first named deacon tied to a local church is a woman; letters emerged from communities.

  • 41:00 — Power & gatekeeping. Why certain leaders resist change; SBC moments like cutting Rick Warren’s mic.

  • 46:30 — Handling pushback graciously. Ask questions, surface assumptions, adjust tone by relationship.

  • 50:00 — The economics of titles. Same work, different labels → less power and pay; survey showing ~80% of women in official church roles are part-time or unpaid.

  • 53:00 — Does “biblical authority” really forbid women leading? On misusing a few verses vs. the witness of the whole Bible.

  • 57:00 — That cover art 👀. Catherine of Alexandria—the patron saint of preachers—casts a telling shadow.

  • 58:00 — The TP&R Question. See the image of God in each person; start from shared humanity when conversations get heated.

  • 01:01:00 — What’s next. A “freeing” medieval project taking shape.

“There are no female pastors in the Bible? There are no male pastors in the Bible either… what we see are people serving in a variety of functions.”

Key Takeaways

  • “Pastor” is a gift before it’s a job. In the New Testament it points to shepherding, not a fixed office; early churches named teachers, apostles, deacons—roles women also filled (e.g., Phoebe).

  • Same work, different label. Churches often call women’s pastoral work something else—reducing power and pay. Structural choices, not Scripture, drive much of the disparity.

  • Power protects itself. Resistance to women’s leadership is frequently about protecting positions and rhetoric, not about biblical fidelity.

  • How to engage across differences. Begin with imago Dei; remember hurt often fuels hostility; ask questions that surface assumptions; adjust posture to the relationship.

Memorable Quotes

  • “A text without a context is a pretext to say whatever you want.”

  • “Women have done everything men did in the early church—we just renamed their work.”

  • “See the image of God before you see a label.”

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From Trauma to Torah: Rabbi Michael Holzman’s Mission to Rebuild American Democracy

Friday Sep 19, 2025

Friday Sep 19, 2025

After October 7, Rabbi Michael Holzman wasn’t just mourning—he was mobilizing. A project he had already spent years developing. Discover how one rabbi is using ancient wisdom, civic rituals, and interfaith grit to heal our fractured democracy.

In this episode, we sit down with Rabbi Michael Holzman, spiritual leader of the Northern Virginia Hebrew Congregation and founder of the Rebuilding Democracy Project. Together, we explore the fragile yet vital intersection of faith, politics, and civic life, tackling tough questions with grace, insight, and a touch of humor.

From personal stories of family division over politics to deeply Jewish perspectives on democracy, Rabbi Holzman opens up about how religious communities can serve as training grounds for better civic engagement. He also shares how his own path—from a secular upbringing to becoming a reform rabbi—shaped his commitment to democratic values.

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⏱️ Timestamp Highlights:

  • [00:00:40] Welcome & intro to Rabbi Holzman and his work in democracy-building

  • [00:03:10] What does “lantzman” mean, and how does it reflect communal responsibility?

  • [00:04:40] Exploring Rabbi Holzman’s family history: German and Eastern European Jewish roots

  • [00:10:40] A spiritual upbringing grounded in nature, ethics, and the roots of his rabbinic calling

  • [00:14:10] The life-altering moment that shifted his path from medicine to ministry

  • [00:18:40] A personal journey through political polarization with his father

  • [00:26:40] Understanding the emotional and psychological impact of political echo chambers

  • [00:31:40] Why local synagogues and churches are essential spaces for democratic practice

  • [00:39:40] Launching the Rebuilding Democracy Project

  • [00:50:40] The power of scripture—both Jewish and American—in bridging divides

  • [00:56:40] “10 Faith Habits for Effective Citizenship”

  • [00:57:40] Rabbi Holzman’s reflection on Israel, Gaza, and ethical leadership

  • [01:00:40] Closing insights on disagreeing better and civic healing

💡 Key Takeaways:

  • "We have to build a culture that values dissent." — Rabbi Holzman on embracing disagreement as a civic virtue.

  • Faith communities can model democratic practices through sacred rituals like respectful dialogue and structured governance.

  • Personal experience with political polarization—especially in families—can become a catalyst for bridge-building.

  • The American Scripture Project uses historical texts and Torah to help congregations grapple with today's civic challenges.

  • Healthy democracy depends on rituals that reassure losers of their place in the system—a principle eroded by events like January 6th.

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Governor John Kasich on Healing America: Faith, Forgiveness, and Civic Courage

Tuesday Sep 16, 2025

Tuesday Sep 16, 2025

A deeply personal and timely conversation with Governor John Kasich on bridging divides, living your values, and why forgiveness is essential in today’s fractured political landscape.

We were so pleased to be joined by Governor John Kasich who opens up about the role of faith, forgiveness, and civic duty in his life and career. The conversation spans everything from the tragic loss of his parents to a drunk driver, his evolving views on religion and politics, to the lessons shared in his newest book Heaven Help Us.

Governor Kasich's winsome curiosity sparked a profound dialogue about personal transformation, ideological differences, and how to build bridges in divided times.

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🧭 Timestamped Highlights:

  • [00:01:00] – Introduction to Kasich’s political legacy and current work
  • [00:07:00] – Governor Kasich's early faith, altar boy days, and influence of Father Farina
  • [00:09:00] – Losing his parents: a turning point in faith and life
  • [00:12:00] – Acts of faith: stories from Heaven Help Us 📖
  • [00:18:00] – Forgiveness, faith across traditions, and healing from trauma
  • [00:23:00] – The danger of losing objective truth in society
  • [00:25:00] – Story of Sister Mary Scullion and dignity for the homeless 🏠
  • [00:29:00] – Substack sneak peek: “Keep Faith America”
  • [00:34:00] – On policy, principle, and political backlash
  • [00:39:00] – Interfaith unity: mosque, synagogue, and church on shared land 🌍
  • [00:43:00] – Full-circle moment on forgiveness and memory
  • [00:46:00] – How to talk across differences—without killin' each other
  • [00:50:00] – Farewell and faith-driven future projects

💡 Notable Quotes:

“If that guy could turn the clock back… I suspect he would. So I actually don’t bear any kind of feelings anymore. Probably by the grace of God.” – John Kasich

“You can’t decide whether to like someone based on who they voted for.” – John Kasich

“Forgiveness takes time. Sometimes you forgive, then you wonder—did I really?” – John Kasich

“Everyone has a story. But we rarely take the time to listen.” – John Kasich

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“We Must Not Be Enemies”: Reflecting on the Assassination of Charlie Kirk

Friday Sep 12, 2025

Friday Sep 12, 2025

✨ This Is Not the Way — The Tragedy of the Assassination of Charlie Kirk and What It Means for Our Country

In this episode, we take time to reflect on the shocking assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, who was gunned down while speaking at a college campus. Instead of political posturing, let's have humane, constructive dialogue—and reject dehumanization, resist scapegoating, and reclaim our shared humanity.

Marking this tragedy on the anniversary of 9/11, we'll look at Lincoln’s words and the bipartisan statements of former presidents to remind us: "We are not enemies, but friends." This is not a moment for tribal rage or performative outrage—this is a moment to mourn, reflect, and reach across divides.

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🧭 What We Explore:

  • The perils of partisan dehumanization and scapegoating in times of tragedy

  • Why collective blame poisons public discourse and corrodes democracy

  • A powerful call to introspection: “What has hatred done to you?”

  • Reflections on the assassination’s timing—on 9/11—and what that means for national unity

  • Historical and moral guidance from Abraham Lincoln’s First Inaugural Address

⏱️ Timestamps & Highlights:

Time Segment
[00:00:00] Intro: “This is not the way” — a call for humanity over tribalism
[00:01:30] Learning about Charlie Kirk’s assassination and initial reactions
[00:03:30] Reflections on a contentious figure and respecting the humanity beneath disagreement
[00:06:30] Mourning the death of a father, husband, speaker—what Charlie stood for
[00:08:00] Predictable partisan responses—from gloating to vilification—and resisting them
[00:10:00] The current president's divisive speech and what should have been said
[00:11:00] Statements from living former Presidents—compassion, unity, dignity 🕊️
[00:12:30] Addressing those who rejoice: “Get the word ‘them’ out of your mouth.”
[00:14:00] A personal memory from 9/11: national unity without needing a tragedy
[00:15:00] A stirring reading from Lincoln: “We must not be enemies…” 🇺🇸
[00:17:30] Final call to action: Talk politics and religion—with gentleness and respect

🔑 Key Takeaways:

  • Hatred dehumanizes the hater. Scapegoating “the other side” after tragedy only feeds the fire of division.

  • Individual acts of violence must not be ascribed to entire communities or ideologies.

  • Healing begins inwardly. Reclaim your humanity before trying to change others.

  • True leadership requires moral courage, not performative outrage or culture war posturing.

  • “We must not be enemies.” The words of Abraham Lincoln are more needed than ever.

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🎙️ Greg Lukianoff on How Free Speech Is Under Fire—from Both the Left and the Right

Tuesday Sep 09, 2025

Tuesday Sep 09, 2025

Why defending expression—even the speech you hate—is essential to democracy in 2025.

Episode Summary:

It was great to welcome back Greg Lukianoff, President and CEO of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE). Greg is also a New York Times bestselling author and executive producer of the feature-length documentaries Can We Take a Joke? (2015) and the award-winning Mighty Ira: A Civil Liberties Story (2020). In this conversation, we dive deep into the evolving challenges to free speech, the myths that undermine it, and why defending expression—even the speech we disagree with—is essential to democracy.

Drawing on personal stories, historical lessons, and his recent book The War on Words: 10 Arguments Against Free Speech and Why They Fail, Greg discusses how free expression protects us from tyranny, the importance of principled advocacy, and how we can better engage across divides.

🧭 Timestamps & Topics:

  • 00:03:00 – Growing up as a first-generation American & discovering the importance of free speech
  • 00:07:00 – Early days with FIRE and the roots of his legal passion
  • 00:10:00 – What Nazi Germany teaches us about censorship
  • 00:16:00 – Mob censorship, peaceful protest, and the slippery slope
  • 00:24:00 – Debunking the “words are violence” fallacy
  • 00:34:00 – Why “shouting fire in a crowded theater” is misunderstood
  • 00:39:00 – Incitement, disinformation, and legal precedent
  • 00:50:00 – Can we trust the courts to protect civil liberties?
  • 00:56:00 – How to disagree without being disagreeable

💡 Key Takeaways:

  • Free speech is not a partisan issue – FIRE defends it across the political spectrum, even when it’s unpopular.

  • The myth of words as violence undermines peaceful discourse and invites real violence in return.

  • Historical lessons from Weimar Germany show that censorship can backfire—even empower fascism.

  • Shout-downs aren’t free speech – they are mob censorship in disguise.

  • Trust in the courts and constitutional law can still be a guardrail against overreach, from both left and right.

  • We must relearn how to listen, not just argue—to be curious, not combative.

🔥 Notable Quotes:

“Violence is not an extreme form of protest—it’s the antithesis of what free speech is for.”
— Greg Lukianoff

“Free speech is the peaceful substitute for violence.”
— Greg Lukianoff

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🎙️ Reckoning with Legacy — Dobson, MacArthur, and the Future of the Church with Special Guests Lisa Sharon Harper and Joe Smith

Friday Sep 05, 2025

Friday Sep 05, 2025

Dobson and MacArthur shaped a movement. Now it's time to ask: at what cost?

✨ Episode Summary

In this powerful roundtable conversation, host Corey Nathan is joined by author and public theologian Lisa Sharon Harper and pastor Joe Smith to explore the complex legacies of James Dobson and John MacArthur—two towering figures in American Evangelicalism who recently passed away.

What starts as a reflective discussion on personal experiences with Dobson’s and MacArthur’s teachings evolves into a profound analysis of spiritual formation, systemic violence, and the urgent need for a new way forward in faith communities.

Together, the guests courageously confront the intersections of race, gender, theology, and power—and what it means to heal, both personally and as a collective.

⏱️ Timestamps

Time Topic
00:00 Introduction to the episode & guests
01:00 Lisa Sharon Harper on her spiritual beginnings
03:00 Legacy and impact of James Dobson
08:00 Dobson’s theology of discipline and its cultural roots
14:00 The trauma of “biblical” corporal punishment
20:00 Confessions of former Dobson followers — personal growth and regret
25:00 John MacArthur's institutional power and theological rigidity
30:00 Colonialism and the colonization of scripture
36:00 Reading scripture through empire vs. liberation
44:00 Who benefits from dominant theological frameworks?
48:00 Embracing humility and paradigm shifts in theology
54:00 Stories of change: how family and love reshape theology
1:02:00 Creating soft landing spaces for theological transformation
1:08:00 Substack, Freedom Road, and Lisa’s ongoing work
1:10:00 Final reflections on urgent action, humility, and grace

🧠 Key Takeaways

  • Dobson’s influence wasn’t just theological—it had lasting psychological, cultural, and political ramifications, particularly around corporal punishment.

  • John MacArthur's legacy is marked by strict dogmatism and theological frameworks that protect power structures.

  • Colonial frameworks of reading the Bible have displaced the voices of those who were closest to the original context of scripture.

  • Transformation is possible, but it requires humility, relationships, and spaces where people can ask hard questions without fear.

  • Urgency matters — personal and institutional change cannot come at the cost of marginalized communities' well-being.

🔥 Notable Quotes

🗣️ "Dobson taught us to break children like we break horses. But what does that say about our own brokenness?" — Lisa Sharon Harper

🗣️ "Scripture can't only be understood one way across all time and cultures—that's not reverence, that's colonialism." — Joe Smith

🗣️ "People's freedom can't wait for our paradigm shift." — Lisa Sharon Harper

📚 Resources & Mentions

🙌 Connect with the Guests

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Guardrails of Democracy: Daniel Weiner of the Brennan Center on Authoritarianism, Election Integrity, and Legal Guardrails

Tuesday Sep 02, 2025

Tuesday Sep 02, 2025

What happens when law firms, universities, and elections come under fire—and how we can all help hold the line for democracy.

🧭 Episode Summary

In this timely and incisive conversation, Daniel Weiner, a leading legal expert on democracy and rule of law, joins host Corey Nathan to unpack the rising authoritarian tendencies in the U.S., how democratic institutions are responding, and why legal guardrails are more critical than ever. Daniel, who serves as Director of the Brennan Center's Elections and Government Program, discusses the fragility of civil society, the weaponization of government power, and practical steps citizens and institutions can take to uphold democracy.

They also dive into:

  • The ethical obligations of law firms under pressure

  • Harvard University's legal pushback against the federal government

  • Election integrity in 2026 and 2028

  • Gerrymandering, Project 2025, and the role of independent commissions

  • How regular folks can be part of the pro-democracy coalition

This is a must-listen episode for anyone concerned about the future of American democracy and looking for informed, balanced, and actionable insights.

⏰ Timestamps & Key Topics

  • [00:00:00] Introduction to Daniel Weiner and his work at the Brennan Center

  • [00:04:00] Harvard's legal fight over academic freedom and federal funding

  • [00:06:30] Defining authoritarianism: Legal vs. rhetorical retribution

  • [00:11:00] What should law firms and universities do under federal threats?

  • [00:15:00] Daniel's journey from historian to legal advocate for democracy

  • [00:18:00] The ethics of mid-decade redistricting in Texas vs. California

  • [00:22:00] Why national standards for elections are necessary

  • [00:30:00] The mission and work of the Brennan Center for Justice

  • [00:33:00] Concerns for election integrity in 2026 and 2028

  • [00:40:00] Should the U.S. move toward national election administration?

  • [00:47:00] The vertical balance of power: Governors vs. federal overreach

  • [00:54:00] The Trump administration’s push to fire a Federal Reserve governor

  • [01:03:00] What each of us can do to protect democracy

💡 Notable Quotes

“When you look at what staves off authoritarianism... free and fair elections are critical, but civil society—including universities and nonprofits—is a bulwark.” – Daniel Weiner

“It’s legal and appropriate for administrations to enforce the law, but when power is deployed arbitrarily as political retribution, that’s authoritarianism.” – Daniel Weiner

“We need to learn how to sit with people who vote differently than us—not to rehearse rebuttals, but to ask questions and seek understanding.” – Corey Nathan

“Until we get national solutions to gerrymandering, we’ll continue to see tit-for-tat behavior across states.” – Daniel Weiner

🛠️ Resources & References

🗣️ Connect with the Guest

Daniel Weiner

🔹 Director, Elections & Government Program, Brennan Center

🔹 Twitter / X - x.com/DanWeiner329

🔹 Bluesky - bsky.app/profile/danw329.bsky.social

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🎧 How NOT to Talk About Politics and Religion (And we got some DOOZIES to discuss!)

Thursday Aug 28, 2025

Thursday Aug 28, 2025

Is there any escaping the "Us vs. Them" mindset?

🗣️ Episode Summary

What are the pitfalls of engaging in political and religious discourse—especially on platforms like TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram? Drawing from recent interactions on his posts about Israel, Trump, democracy, and faith, Corey breaks down how NOT to engage in these conversations, underscoring the dangers of generalizing, mischaracterizing, and vilifying others.

🧭 What We Explore:

  • The dangers of black-and-white thinking in our polarized times 🌓

  • The importance of maintaining relationships across political divides ❤️🤝

  • Why shaming and moral superiority don’t win hearts, minds—or elections 🗳️

  • How online toxicity and echo chambers hinder democratic dialogue 🌐⚠️

⏱️ Timestamps & Highlights

  • [00:00:00] Introduction: Why this all matters now more than ever

  • [00:02:00] Reflections on engaging across multiple social platforms

  • [00:04:00] Reading and responding to vile and antisemitic comments

  • [00:07:00] The impact of identity and assumptions on discourse

  • [00:09:00] “Is everyone who voted differently suddenly an enemy?” 🤔

  • [00:12:00] On friendships with Trump supporters and relational complexity

  • [00:17:00] Responding to accusations of being “complicit”

  • [00:21:00] The impossibility of persuading through shame or purity tests

  • [00:26:00] “They want to see you dead”—the danger of total dehumanization

  • [00:29:00] On being called a “rapist worshiper” for loving Trump voters

  • [00:34:00] The misuse of Scripture in political arguments 📖

  • [00:40:00] Critique of redistricting and political generalizations

  • [00:44:00] Final thoughts: Save democracy through relationship and reason ✨

🔑 Key Takeaways

  • Dehumanization destroys dialogue: Reducing others to labels like “enemy,” “MAGAt,” or “rapist worshiper” erodes the social fabric.

  • Assumptions are toxic: Many presume political affiliation tells the full story—Corey reminds us it doesn’t.

  • Engagement ≠ endorsement: Loving or talking to someone with different beliefs isn’t betraying your values.

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Drawing the Line: When Gerrymandering Becomes Political Warfare

Monday Aug 25, 2025

Monday Aug 25, 2025

🎙️ Diving back into the gerrymandering / redistricting wars and the so-called "war on democracy." Is it a real war or political hyperbole? Corey unpacks recent redistricting efforts in Texas and California, confronts ethical and legal questions, and most importantly, discusses how we talk about these issues — especially when we disagree.

From institutional norms to California’s independent redistricting commission, we'll look at a nuanced, principled stance while challenging the increasingly combative political discourse. This episode is a rallying cry for more respectful, informed, and constructive conversations. ☕🗣️

⏰ Timestamps & Topics

  • [00:00:00] – Hyperbolic intros & the “war” framing

  • [00:01:00] – Texas redistricting: legal, ethical, wise?

  • [00:05:00] – Comparing Texas to California’s independent commission

  • [00:07:00] – Is it gerrymandering or “dummymandering”?

  • [00:10:00] – Corey’s personal impact from redistricting lines

  • [00:12:00] – CalExit? Exploring state-level autonomy

  • [00:15:00] – What makes responses democratic vs. anti-democratic

  • [00:17:00] – Instead of war: How about winning votes?

  • [00:18:00] – Latinx & language: When messaging backfires

  • [00:21:00] – Listener pushback: From “coward” to “wet noodle”

  • [00:26:00] – Political warfare and dehumanizing rhetoric

  • [00:30:00] – The danger of escalating political language

  • [00:32:00] – What Corey is willing to risk for peace and democracy

  • [00:33:00] – Final thoughts: Talk politics with gentleness and respect

💡 Key Takeaways

  • Legal ≠ Ethical ≠ Wise: Just because something is legal, like Texas’ mid-decade redistricting, doesn’t mean it’s ethical or wise.

  • Independent commissions work: California's model, while imperfect, supports representative democracy and reduces partisan gerrymandering.

  • Respectful discourse is essential: Hyperbolic rhetoric (“war,” “enemies,” “fascists”) hinders progress and dehumanizes fellow citizens.

  • Real change comes from persuasion: Winning hearts, minds, and votes is more sustainable than retaliatory political tactics.

  • Corey’s core belief: Anti-democratic actions shouldn't be met with more anti-democratic responses.

🔊 Notable Quotes

“If everything's an existential threat, nothing's an existential threat.”

“We need to be able to talk to our neighbors, talk to our friends, talk to our loved ones that happen to feel differently about this issue.”

“You want to be right, or do you want to win?”

“I am betting on conversations — at coffee shops, over drinks, at soccer games — to preserve our democracy.”

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From the Streets to a PhD: Dr. Terence Lester on Faith, Educational Injustice, and Fighting for Equity in a Broken System

Thursday Aug 21, 2025

Thursday Aug 21, 2025

Dr. Terence Lester on overcoming poverty, confronting systemic racism in education, and how we can show up for students our schools are failing.

Introduction:
Dr. Terence Lester is an activist, speaker, professor, and founder of Love Beyond Walls, a nonprofit focused on raising awareness about poverty and homelessness. Dr. Lester shares his remarkable story—from dropping out of high school to earning a doctorate—and how personal experience shapes his advocacy. We dive deep into the topics of systemic injustice, education, faith, and what it truly means to be present with those on the margins.

What We Discuss:

  • How Dr. Lester’s personal journey fuels his mission

  • The impact of educational redlining and systemic inequality

  • How faith, mentors, and community shaped his life

  • What churches and individuals can do to respond to injustice

  • How to build proximity and empathy across differences

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:01:00] Dr. Lester reflects on living in gratitude and grief at once

  • [00:05:00] The dismantling of Black history and language in public discourse

  • [00:10:00] How policy and redlining impacted Dr. Lester’s childhood neighborhood

  • [00:15:00] A teacher named Ms. West sees his potential and changes his life

  • [00:23:00] Mr. Moore tells Dr. Lester, “One day you’ll be a leader”

  • [00:31:00] His grandmother and the spiritual foundation of faith in a historic Black church

  • [00:36:00] A night in jail becomes a turning point in his faith journey

  • [00:46:00] What the church is missing—and what it could become

  • [00:54:00] How we can all build relationships across differences

Featured Quotes:
“Sometimes people have to borrow your courage.” – Dr. Terence Lester
“Distance is the enemy of belonging.” – Dr. Terence Lester
“You never know how far I’ve traveled to be here—and I’m not talking about geography.” – Dr. Terence Lester
“If you preach from your life’s text, you’ll never run out of material.” – Dr. Lester, quoting his Bible professor

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Most of Us Are in the Middle — So Why Are the Extremes Controlling the Conversation?

Tuesday Aug 19, 2025

Tuesday Aug 19, 2025

Not Right. Not Left. Not Crazy. Just Real Talk About Politics and People. 43% of Us Aren’t Partisan Left or Right. This Episode Is for You.

Reflecting on what it means to be politically independent in a time of increasing polarization. Drawing on personal stories and hot-button issues like Israel/Palestine, redistricting, and public safety, host Corey Nathan makes a compelling case for the 43% of Americans who don’t fully align with the far right or progressive left—and offers guidance on how we can still talk to each other with grace and clarity.

What Is Discussed:

  • The 3 main categories of political identity in America

  • Why a plurality of us fall into a misunderstood, complex “middle”

  • How to approach political conversations without labeling

  • What really motivates voters—and why economic messaging matters

  • Practical ways to connect across divides without compromising your values

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:02:00] Defining the “three buckets”: partisan right, left, and the independent middle

  • [00:06:30] Mislabeling in political debates – a story about Israel and being misunderstood

  • [00:12:00] How to hold multiple truths in the Israel/Palestine conflict

  • [00:15:00] On crime, Trump, and false binaries

  • [00:19:30] Redistricting in Texas—and why legal doesn’t mean ethical

  • [00:23:00] Why cost of living, not slogans, will decide 2026 & 2028 elections

  • [00:27:00] Do’s & don’ts for meaningful political conversations

  • [00:33:00] Learning from mistakes and leading with respect

Featured Quotes:
🗣️ “Go in with the goal of connecting, not convincing.” – Corey Nathan
🗣️ “The world is not black and white. The world is not Democrat or Republican.” – Corey Nathan
🗣️ “Just because we don't agree with your particular orthodoxy doesn't mean we're part of the other side.” – Corey Nathan

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Matthew D. Taylor: The NAR's War on Democracy & The Path to Rehumanizing Faith

Thursday Aug 14, 2025

Thursday Aug 14, 2025

Exposing the New Apostolic Reformation's anti-democratic Seven Mountain Mandate and its profound impact on Christian nationalism, urging a return to interreligious dialogue and Jesus' core teachings to rehumanize faith and defend liberal democracy - we're joined by Dr. Matthew D. Taylor to discuss all this and more.

Dr. Matthew D. Taylor is a leading scholar and practitioner in interfaith dialogue and a fierce advocate for pluralism in American society who holds a Ph.D. in Theological and Religious Studies with a focus on comparative religion and modern radical movements within both Christianity and Islam. He currently serves at the Institute for Islamic, Christian, and Jewish Studies in Baltimore, where he works to dismantle antisemitism, Islamophobia, and Christian nationalism. Together, Corey and Matt explore the evolution of evangelicalism, the rise of Christian nationalism, the dangerous theology of the New Apostolic Reformation, and the crucial role of pluralistic democracy in a divided America.

What We Discuss:

  • Why Dr. Taylor left evangelicalism and what drew him to interfaith dialogue

  • The alarming growth and influence of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR)

  • How NAR theology is shaping U.S. politics and threatening democracy

  • The distinction between liberal and illiberal democracy

  • How to rehumanize political and religious discourse in polarized environments

  • What Christians can do to confront authoritarianism from within their own communities

Episode Highlights:
[00:01:00] Dr. Taylor’s evangelical roots and why he left the movement
[00:05:00] From aspiring missionary to interfaith scholar: Matt’s pivotal moment in Turkey
[00:15:00] Understanding spiritual manipulation in evangelical circles
[00:25:00] Introducing the New Apostolic Reformation and the Seven Mountain Mandate
[00:37:00] How Christian nationalism is reshaping America’s political landscape
[00:45:00] Trump, prophecy, and the theological foundations of MAGA
[00:54:00] What liberal democracy means—and why it’s at risk in the U.S.
[01:03:00] A call for Christians to speak theologically against authoritarianism

Featured Quotes:

"If the propaganda is theological, the response has to be theological." — Dr. Matthew D. Taylor

"We need to improve the quality of our disagreements." — Dr. Matthew D. Taylor

"Right now, the propaganda holding MAGA together is theological—and Christians have a responsibility to speak into that." — Dr. Matthew D. Taylor

"Jesus didn’t come to empower Christians to take power over others—he came to teach us to lay it down." — Dr. Matthew D. Taylor

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Redistricting Wars: Is It Wise to Fight Fire with Fire? Lessons from a Heated Dialogue.

Monday Aug 11, 2025

Monday Aug 11, 2025

Principles, Polarization, and the Perils of Partisan Shaming.

Let's dive into the heated “Redistricting Wars” in Texas, California, and other states. Using David French’s framework of “Is it legal? Is it ethical? Is it wise?”, Corey examines the legal, moral, and strategic angles of mid-decade redistricting.

From explaining the political strategies behind Texas’s proposed map changes to defending California’s independent redistricting commissions, Corey makes the case for more competitive, purple districts. He also shares a candid and sometimes heated social media exchange about whether sticking to democratic principles is the right approach when political opponents “fight dirty.”

*CORRECTION: Corey incorrectly referred to a conversation with Dr. Matthew D. Taylor. Corey incorrectly stated his first name as Michael instead of Matthew.

What Is Discussed:

  • Why Texas’s mid-decade redistricting is technically legal but ethically questionable

  • How California’s independent commissions foster competitive districts

  • The strategic risks of over-gerrymandering

  • The dangers of toxic partisanship and abandoning core principles

  • Why persuasion works better than shaming in political discourse

Episode highlights:

  • [00:02:00] Applying the “legal, ethical, wise” framework to Texas’s actions

  • [00:04:00] Why breaking redistricting norms is dangerous

  • [00:07:00] Why Corey doubts Texas will gain five seats through gerrymandering

  • [00:08:00] California’s purple districts and independent commissions

  • [00:12:00] Polling on overturning California’s commission system

  • [00:14:00] A revealing online exchange about principles vs. partisanship

  • [00:21:00] The problem with labeling all Trump voters as enemies of democracy

  • [00:27:00] Sticking to nonviolent, principled engagement during political urgency

  • [00:33:00] Why respectful persuasion beats moral grandstanding

Featured quotes:

  • “Is it legal? Is it ethical? Is it wise? That’s how I’m looking at this whole thing.”

  • “We need more purple districts—places where voters have to talk to each other, not just live in partisan silos.”

  • “We don’t abandon our principles when it’s convenient or when we think it’s urgent.”

  • “If your approach is to shame people into agreeing with you, you’re not persuading anyone—you’re pushing them away.”

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Thomas Chatterton Williams - SUMMER OF OUR DISCONTENT: The Age of Certainty and the Demise of Discourse

Friday Aug 08, 2025

Friday Aug 08, 2025

What happened between the election of the first black president in 2008 and the reelection of Donald Trump in 2024 that's led to "the age of certainty and the demise of discourse"? Well, as the brilliant writer Thomas Chatterton Williams recounts in his new book, there was the SUMMER OF OUR DISCONTENT.

In this episode, we get to sit down with Thomas—staff writer at The Atlantic and also author of Losing My Cool and Self-Portrait in Black and White. We explore race, identity, cancel culture, and the importance of preserving liberal values in a polarized society.

What We Discuss:

  • How Thomas’s biracial upbringing shapes his worldview

  • The story behind the “Letter on Justice and Open Debate” in Harper's

  • What happened with the Poetry Foundation and cancel culture

  • Why “moral clarity” can be dangerous when journalism becomes activism

  • How 2020’s protests shaped national politics and the rise of MAGA

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:01:00] Thomas shares the story of his parents’ interracial marriage

  • [00:07:00] Growing up in a household full of debate and thick skin

  • [00:09:00] Drafting and publishing the Harper’s letter and its backlash

  • [00:13:00] The Poetry Foundation controversy and institutional capture

  • [00:25:00] Why “moral clarity” fails when we don’t agree on morality

  • [00:39:00] The link between 2020 protests and January 6th

  • [00:45:00] Can Democrats win the center—and what candidates can break through?

  • [00:48:00] The toxic effects of social media on how we see each other

Featured Quotes:

  • "You can't really have social justice without tolerance for viewpoint diversity." – Thomas Chatterton Williams
  • "No one agrees on what’s morally clear. That’s why objectivity still matters." – Thomas Chatterton Williams
  • "People don't talk that way in person. Social media strips us of our ability to imagine someone’s humanity." – Corey Nathan

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Cheering Murder, Losing Our Soul: A Call Back to Our Shared Humanity

Monday Aug 04, 2025

Monday Aug 04, 2025

How Did We Get Here? From Outrage to Applauding Atrocity

In this edition, host Corey Nathan offers a timely and deeply personal reflection on a disturbing trend in society: the growing tendency to dehumanize one another. We unpack two tragic incidents that sparked widespread and even celebratory reactions online—mass murders of corporate executives—and explore what these reactions say about our collective soul. Using real-life examples, scriptural references, and philosophical insights, the challenge is to consider how we might reclaim our shared humanity.

What Is Discussed:

  • How online culture enables dehumanization and moral numbness
  • The emotional and spiritual toll of celebrating harm toward others
  • Practical ways to recognize and preserve each other's humanity
  • The concept of Imago Dei and how it applies in daily life, even beyond religious contexts
  • How to model grace and kindness, even in the face of hostility

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:02:00] — Corey introduces the idea of a “vicious cycle” of dehumanization and how it suffocates our soul and hardens our hearts
  • [00:04:00] — The story of Wesley LePatner, CEO of Blackstone Real Estate Income Trust and the horrifying online reactions to her murder
  • [00:08:00] — The “Free Luigi” movement and how the celebration of violence has become normalized
  • [00:13:00] — A personal experience with a vile online comment and the power of grace in response
  • [00:18:00] — Explanation of “online disinhibition” and echo chambers as systemic drivers of dehumanization
  • [00:24:00] — Introduction of Imago Dei and secular philosophies that affirm basic human dignity
  • [00:29:00] — How Corey chose to respond thoughtfully rather than react angrily to an offensive comment
  • [00:34:00] — A call to action: practical steps to disrupt the cycle of dehumanization in our personal lives and broader discourse

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Fires, ICE, and Faith — Rev. Dr. Matthew Colwell on Immigration, Loss, and Rebuilding Community

Thursday Jul 31, 2025

Thursday Jul 31, 2025

What if ICE visits our church? How are we doing after the LA Fires? And how can the Church help to rebuild and heal?

In this heartfelt episode of Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes back the Reverend Dr. Matt Colwell, Senior Pastor of Knox Presbyterian Church in Pasadena, CA. A theologian, author, and community leader, Matt opens up about losing his home in the devastating Eaton Fire, his deeply personal approach to immigrant justice, and the evolving role of the Church in times of social and political crisis. A long-time friend and spiritual guide to Corey, Matt shares how Scripture and lived experience converge to shape his ministry and public witness.

What We Discuss:

  • How the Eaton Fire profoundly impacted Pastor Matt and his congregation

  • What it looks like for a church to take a public stand on immigration and ICE enforcement

  • The intersection of Scripture, politics, and social ethics in Matt’s faith journey

  • Why churches are legally preparing for ICE visits—and how they’re doing it

  • The essential role of community, memory, and physical space in recovering from trauma

  • Strategies for engaging in tough conversations across ideological lines

Episode Highlights:
[00:01:00] Matt opens up about life after losing his home in the Eaton Fire
[00:03:00] How experiences in Guatemala and seminary shaped Matt’s understanding of faith and justice
[00:07:00] Corey and Matt explore deriving political views from scripture and the ethical challenge of self-trust
[00:14:00] Book recommendations: Lincoln’s Greatest Speech, The Dearly Beloved, and more
[00:18:00] The emotional aftermath of losing a home and the power of community response
[00:31:00] What the grieving process looks like when you lose not just a house, but identity-defining memories
[00:42:00] ICE visits to churches in Downey prompt new sanctuary policies at Knox Presbyterian
[00:47:00] How the church legally designated private spaces to protect undocumented individuals
[01:03:00] Corey’s candid reflection on preparing emotionally for hard political and religious conversations

Featured Quotes:
"When a pillar is pulled out from under you, it’s powerful to feel like God is present—and the church community is present." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell
"I don’t trust myself either. That’s why I need to hear different voices and read Scripture in community." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell
"I prepare for difficult conversations by rehearsing a mindset—not what I’ll say, but how I’ll listen." – Corey Nathan
"It’s not just stuff—it’s tied to relationships. Losing those memories feels like losing part of your identity." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell

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Misunderstood, Mislabeled, and Still Thinking About It: What to Do About Rumination

Tuesday Jul 29, 2025

Tuesday Jul 29, 2025

Ever get stuck in those mental loops after heated conversations around politics and religion? Let's talk about it!

In this episode, host Corey Nathan opens up about the all-too-common habit of rumination—going over those difficult conversations or moments of conflict again and again. Drawing from a powerful personal story, Corey explores what rumination is, how it differs from healthy reflection, and what we can do about it.

What Is Discussed:

  • The difference between obsessive rumination and productive reflection

  • Practical strategies for self-awareness and emotional regulation

  • How mindfulness and meditation can help manage intrusive thoughts

  • Why labeling others (or being labeled) damages relationships

  • How to shift from argument to connection using curiosity and empathy

Episode Highlights:

  • 00:00:50 – Introducing the topic of rumination and why it matters

  • 00:02:00 – A personal story about a triggering interaction

  • 00:06:00 – “My brain broke”—Corey reflects on emotional fallout

  • 00:10:00 – Inward vs. outward strategies for interrupting rumination

  • 00:13:00 – Self-awareness, triggers, and managing the moment

  • 00:15:00 – Meditation and the practice of “noting”

  • 00:18:00 – Relationship management: choose connection over being right

  • 00:27:00 – Labeling vs. seeing someone in their full humanity

Featured Quotes:

  • “My brain broke. That’s how I describe it—because in that moment, something really triggered me.”
  • “The thought is not my identity. It’s just a thought—and I can allow it to pass.”
  • “If someone insists on labeling me, that’s not a relationship I want. Or at least, I’ll love them from far away.”

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Finding Purpose, Building Wealth, and Staying Grounded in Uncertain Times with Jorge Meza

Thursday Jul 24, 2025

Thursday Jul 24, 2025

In today's economic and political climate, how can we all keep our heads while everyone else is losing theirs? Talkin' tariffs, budget deficits, the Fed, interest rates, and all kinds of fun stuff!

In this episode of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes long-time friend and investment advisor Jorge Meza, CEO of Meza Wealth Management. Jorge shares his inspiring journey—from navigating a family medical crisis to building a boutique investment firm grounded in accessibility and service. The two also dive into today’s economic and political climate, and how we can all keep our heads while everyone else is losing theirs.

What We Discuss:

  • How Jorge’s personal experiences shaped his professional philosophy

  • Why investing is about more than money—it’s about people

  • Practical insights into tariffs, inflation, and the future of AI

  • How to have tough political conversations with respect and grace

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:01:10] – Jorge shares his daughter Jessica’s remarkable transplant story

  • [00:04:45] – From construction to finance: Jorge’s path to founding Meza Wealth Management

  • [00:07:15] – The immigrant journey that shaped Jorge’s worldview

  • [00:13:00] – How Jorge coaches clients through political and market volatility

  • [00:15:30] – Tariffs, inflation, and AI: What it all means for your money

  • [00:38:15] – Why an independent Federal Reserve matters

  • [00:41:45] – Jorge’s take on how we can disagree without division

Featured Quotes:

“We’re in the business of changing people’s lives. Someone helped me early on, and I’ve never forgotten that.” – Jorge Meza
“Very few people can outwork me. If you work hard, things can happen.” – Jorge Meza
“People are starving for respectful dialogue. We just don’t hear enough from the folks in the middle.” – Jorge Meza
“You see something to be afraid of—I see opportunity.” – Corey Nathan

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Mastering the Minefield: How to Spot Escalation, Avoid Traps & Build Better Dialogue

Monday Jul 21, 2025

Monday Jul 21, 2025

In this episode, host Corey Nathan explores how we can navigate difficult conversations around politics and religion with more grace and effectiveness. Drawing on personal experiences, spiritual grounding, and practical techniques, Corey shares what to look out for when a conversation is going sideways and how to communicate better even in the most challenging moments.

What Is Discussed:

  • How to recognize when a conversation is escalating

  • Common communication traps and how to avoid them

  • How to prepare your heart and mind to actively listen

  • What it means to “rehearse” understanding instead of comebacks

  • Why identifying shared values can change the entire conversation

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:00:50] Signs of emotional escalation and how to spot them

  • [00:05:00] A simple tool to slow down: breathing

  • [00:07:00] The mistake of rehearsing a verbal takedown

  • [00:09:30] A better way: Practice being a great listener

  • [00:13:00] Why “shoulding” on people makes things worse

  • [00:15:00] The dangers of mischaracterizing entire groups

  • [00:21:00] Are you really listening—or just waiting to talk?

  • [00:24:30] Avoiding ad hominem attacks and gaslighting

Featured Quotes:

“When the emotion is so heightened that I can no longer think… that’s something to recognize before it gets out of hand.”
“Don’t rehearse the perfect burn. Rehearse listening.”
“You can reverse the neurochemical reaction of anger and fear—and induce the feeling of being heard and loved.”
“If your goal is to cause pain in a conversation, this program isn’t for you.”

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Trump 2.0, John MacArthur, and America's Numbed Conscience: A Special Roundtable with Lori Adams-Brown and William Wright

Thursday Jul 17, 2025

Thursday Jul 17, 2025

Trump 2.0 - 6 months in. How's it going? (And other light comedy...)

In this milestone 300th episode, Corey is joined by two insightful friends: Lori Adams-Brown, host of A World of Difference podcast, and William Wright, co-host of the Faithful Politics podcast. Together, they reflect on six months of the Trump 2.0 administration, rising Christian nationalism, immigration policy impacts, and the legacy of influential evangelical leaders. It’s a deep, wide-ranging, and thought-provoking roundtable about our politics, our faith, and how we can still find hope and human connection across differences.

What We Discuss:

  • The real-life impacts of recent immigration policies

  • What’s fueling political tribalism and conspiracy culture

  • How trauma can influence dogmatism in both politics and religion

  • A candid look at John MacArthur’s controversial legacy

  • How we can better communicate across ideological divides

Episode Highlights:
• [00:01:00] Celebrating episode 300 with Lori and Will
• [00:02:00] Lori shares real stories of deportation affecting families in California
• [00:05:00] Corey’s church discusses ICE raid response policy
• [00:08:00] Will details surprising legal shifts and executive orders
• [00:13:00] Backlash over Chip and Joanna Gaines and identity politics
• [00:23:00] How polarization and pain are intertwined
• [00:39:00] Where can we still find hope, even now?
• [00:51:00] Reflecting on John MacArthur’s impact and abuse cover-ups
• [01:03:00] How to talk politics and religion without killing each other

Featured Quotes:
“Dogmatism is often a response to trauma.” — Lori Adams-Brown
“Bad people can sometimes do things that help good people.” — William Wright
“You don’t have a depression issue, you have a sin issue — that’s what they told me. And that was crushing.” — Corey Nathan
“It’s not about what you think, it’s about who you hate. That’s how people are being politically labeled now.” — Corey Nathan

Resources Mentioned:
• Faithful Politics Podcast – faithfulpoliticspodcast.com
• A World of Difference Podcast – www.loriadamsbrown.com/podcast
• Book: White Evangelical Racism by Anthea Butler - uncpress.org/book/9781469681511/white-evangelical-racism-second-edition/

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The Skipper's Moral Compass: A Navy SEAL Commander on Ethical Leadership & Navigating Today's Political Waters

Monday Jul 14, 2025

Monday Jul 14, 2025

In this episode, we welcome Dr. Roger Herbert—retired Navy Captain, former SEAL commander, professor of ethics, and distinguished academic. Dr. Herbert’s career spans from leading undersea special operations to teaching future naval officers at the U.S. Naval Academy. We explore Dr. Herbert's remarkable journey marked by leadership, ethics, and profound moral challenges. Dr. Herbert shares stories of combat, personal transformation, and the vital importance of principled leadership—even under the most extreme conditions.

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CORRECTION: Roger has advised me that he misspoke when he described a SEAL operation in Anbar Province.  Operation Redwings, the 2005 SEAL reconnaissance mission that inspired the book/movie "Lone Survivor," took place in Afghanistan's Kunar Province.  (Anbar is a province in Iraq.) 

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What We Discuss:

* The intense process of becoming and leading Navy SEALs

* How war can spark deep ethical reflection and personal evolution

* What moral leadership looks like in combat zones—and classrooms

* Why teaching ethics to future military leaders is more important than ever

* How pivotal life decisions can stem from unexpected, even humorous, moments

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Featured Quotes:

  • “The secret sauce of being a SEAL is learning how far you can really go—and it’s always further than you think.” – Dr. Roger Herbert
  • “We push candidates to what they *think* is their limit… and then some crazy few keep going. That’s where we find the SEALs.”
  • “Ethics isn’t just theory—it’s what helps you come home with honor.”
  • “We don’t swear loyalty to a person. We swear to a document. That’s the power of the U.S. Constitution.”

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Resources Mentioned:

* Dr. Roger Herbert’s Substack - rogerherbert.substack.com

* The Ethics of Special Ops: Raids, Recoveries, Reconnaissance, and Rebels - https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-Special-Ops-Recoveries-Reconnaissance-ebook/dp/B0CLGJK8R6?ref_=ast_author_dp&th=1&psc=1

* Ethics at War: How Should Military Personnel Make Ethical Decisions? - https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-War-Military-Personnel-Decisions-ebook/dp/B0CKFGDXQY?ref_=ast_author_dp&th=1&psc=1

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Do You Want To Be Right Or The Relationship? Why We Insist on Being Right in Politics & Beyond

Thursday Jul 10, 2025

Thursday Jul 10, 2025

In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan shares a personal story that explores a fundamental question many of us face in political and relational discourse: “Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?” Prompted by a real-life interaction following his attendance at a local rally, Corey examines how we navigate our convictions, the costs of being “right,” and the cognitive, identity-based, and psychological roots that underlie our desire to win arguments—especially at the expense of connection. 

What Is Discussed:

  • The real story behind a tense political exchange among friends.

  • The importance of prioritizing relationships over ideological victory.

  • Key psychological and sociological reasons why people insist on being right.

  • How identity, ego, and group affiliation shape our perceptions in political dialogue.

  • Thoughtful strategies to promote civil discourse, even across ideological lines.

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:03:00] Corey describes the No Kings Rally in Santa Clarita and his motivation for attending.

  • [00:05:00] A group text spirals into conflict after a friend posts a divisive meme about Democrats.

  • [00:07:00] Corey challenges the assumptions being made and asserts his conservative identity.

  • [00:10:00] The text conversation intensifies—Corey confronts the damaging generalizations.

  • [00:13:00] He reflects on the absence of actual conversation and the importance of listening.

  • [00:20:00] Corey shares research on cognitive biases like confirmation bias and bandwagon effect.

  • [00:24:00] A powerful explanation of identity protective cognition and how it affects discourse.

  • [00:29:00] The psychological roots of being “right”: ego, fear, insecurity, and narcissism.

  • [00:31:00] A parable of two billy goats illustrates the cost of refusing to give ground.

Featured Quotes:
“Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?”
“The endeavor that I care about is people exercising their First Amendment rights.”
“If we were actually talking, you'd know this isn't even in my top 50 concerns.”
“We don’t need to diminish others to hold our convictions.”

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Mike Madrid on the Latino Electorate, Trump's Win in 2024 and What It Means for the Soul of America

Monday Jul 07, 2025

Monday Jul 07, 2025

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back political consultant, author, and Substack contributor Mike Madrid. A renowned expert on Latino voters and co-founder of the Lincoln Project, Mike brings his profound insights on American politics, identity, and democracy. Together, Corey and Mike explore deeply personal stories, historical context, and present-day political dynamics, all while weaving in the emotional fabric that connects generations and communities.

What We Discuss:

  • The significance of personal and familial stories in shaping political perspective

  • How Latino voters are reshaping American democracy

  • The danger of authoritarian tendencies in U.S. governance

  • Economic populism across ideological divides

  • The importance of understanding and communicating with working-class communities

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:04:00] Mike Madrid shares a personal story of grief and connection through a pilgrimage to Madrid, New Mexico

  • [00:08:00] Baseball as a bridge between generations and its deeper cultural significance

  • [00:14:00] Inhumane immigration enforcement and its implications on American identity

  • [00:22:00] A discussion on whether America is at a turning point for its soul and values

  • [00:33:00] Vertical balance of power: Newsom vs. federal overreach in L.A. protests

  • [00:45:00] Latino voters' top concerns: economy, housing, and healthcare

  • [00:53:00] Economic populism through Ruben Gallego and Zoran Mamdani's campaigns

  • [01:03:00] How to talk about politics and religion without killin' each other

Featured Quotes:

  • "Sometimes the stories we tell ourselves matter more than the facts we can verify." – Mike Madrid

  • "This is our American story now. This is who we are... and if we're not speaking out, then we are individually complicit in it." – Mike Madrid

  • "These are the moments when character is defined." – Mike Madrid

  • "The best way to talk about politics and religion is to not talk about it through the lens of politics and religion." – Mike Madrid

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(ICYMI) Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde on Faith, Politics, and Ethical Conversations in a Polarized Nation

Thursday Jul 03, 2025

Thursday Jul 03, 2025

This was such a refreshing conversation with Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. We recorded it just after she delivered the homily at the National Cathedral the day after the inauguration. Bishop Budde's candor, winsomeness and wisdom shines through in all circumstances - whether it's before a worldwide audience or upon earnest reflection of the impact of her ministry. And there's something healing in all of this. So it's certainly worth revisiting our discussion going into this national holiday weekend. Enjoy...

 

In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show.

The conversation dives into Bishop Budde’s faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration.

What We Discuss

  • Bishop Budde’s personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church.
  • The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today’s polarized climate.
  • How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism.
  • The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights.
  • Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect.

Episode Highlights

[00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde.

[00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences.

[00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her.

[00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition.

[00:26:00] – Bishop Budde’s response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love.

[00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance.

[00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges.

[00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences.

[01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde’s work.

Featured Quotes

"If it’s not about love, it’s not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde

"The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It’s about choosing to respond with love even when it’s difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde

"To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde

"We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde

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Faith, Freedom, and the Fight for the 1st Amendment: Daniel Mach of the ACLU on Kennedy v. Bremerton, Religious Charter Schools, and Resisting Trump-Era Overreach

Monday Jun 30, 2025

Monday Jun 30, 2025

In this timely episode of "Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other," host Corey Nathan speaks with Professor Daniel Mach, Director of the ACLU Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief and adjunct professor of law at the George Washington University Law School. They explore the complexities of First Amendment rights, the historical Scopes Trial, and the fine line between religious freedom and government endorsement of religion.

What We Discuss:

  • How Daniel Mach’s passion for First Amendment law began.

  • The ACLU’s approach to defending speech across ideological lines.

  • Key legal principles behind landmark cases like Kennedy v. Bremerton.

  • The modern-day impact of church-state separation rulings.

  • The importance of defending civil liberties regardless of popularity.

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:01:00] Dan’s origin story, sparked by a high school paper on the Scopes Trial.

  • [00:05:00] ACLU’s surprising position in the Boston Christian flag case.

  • [00:09:00] The real facts behind Kennedy v. Bremerton School District.

  • [00:23:00] Historical insight into the Scopes Trial and why it still matters.

  • [00:38:00] Breakdown of the opt-out debate in Mahmoud v. Montgomery County.

  • [00:48:00] Can a Catholic public school exist? Oklahoma says maybe.

  • [00:56:00] Concerns about threats to the rule of law.

  • [01:00:00] How to speak across ideological divides and why it matters.

Featured Quotes:
"Rights for all — the right to speak even hateful things — triggered something in my mind where I thought, yeah, that's the way to go." – Daniel Mach
"If the rules only protect people you like, then those rules are not rules at all." – Daniel Mach
"Part of religious liberty is keeping religion and government separate — not just to protect government, but to protect religion." – Daniel Mach

Resources Mentioned:
ACLU: https://www.aclu.org
Kennedy v. Bremerton: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-418
Scopes Trial History: https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/scopes-trial
Mahmoud v. Montgomery County: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-297_4f14.pdf
Oklahoma Catholic Charter School Ruling: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/05/split-supreme-court-blocks-first-religious-charter-school-in-oklahoma/

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Transforming Campaigns: Mike Nellis Discusses Political and Fundraising Strategies to Combat Anti-Democratic Threats

Wednesday Jun 25, 2025

Wednesday Jun 25, 2025

In this episode, we're joined by Mike Nellis, founder of Authentic and executive chairman of QUILLER. Mike shares his journey from early political engagement to founding a values-driven digital agency and a pioneering AI platform. He opens up about overcoming personal mental health challenges and emphasizes the importance of empathy, leadership, and responsive government.

What We Discuss:

  • How Mike Nellis turned a toxic workplace experience into a successful values-based company.

  • Why mental health and workplace culture are core pillars of Mike’s leadership.

  • The strategic role of AI in political campaigns and how it’s changing the game.

  • Insights on effective fundraising, the current political climate, and what the Democratic Party needs to do differently.

Episode Highlights:

  • 01:00 – Mike’s introduction and political fundraising background

  • 02:00 – Leaving a toxic workplace and founding Authentic

  • 04:00 – Mike’s personal journey through mental health and weight loss

  • 07:00 – His daily mental health “toolkit”

  • 12:00 – From Republican household to Obama rally

  • 19:00 – Mike’s evolving political values and client strategies

  • 27:00 – Firsthand experience confronting political abuse of power

  • 35:00 – Diagnosing what went wrong in the 2024 election

  • 48:00 – Navigating AI ethics and strategy

  • 53:00 – Endless Urgency: Mike’s life motto and Substack

Featured Quotes:
“Every day, you should do something for your mind, your body, and your spirit.” – Mike Nellis
“Politics is a game of addition, not subtraction.” – Mike Nellis
“I want a government that shows up when people need it—and then gets out of the way.” – Mike Nellis

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Vote Common Good: Pastor Doug Pagitt on the Emergent Church and "Exit Ramps" for Engaging Faith Voters

Monday Jun 23, 2025

Monday Jun 23, 2025

In this episode, Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor Doug Pagitt, Executive Director of Vote Common Good. Doug shares his remarkable journey from a non-religious upbringing to becoming a prominent voice in progressive evangelicalism. They discuss how his background in sociology and theology shapes his view of faith, culture, and politics, and how those insights drive his current work helping religious voters engage civically with integrity and hope.

What We Discuss:

  • How Doug Pagitt came to faith and ministry outside traditional church upbringing

  • What the Emergent Church is and why it matters

  • How anthropology influences theology

  • What motivated Pastor Doug to start Vote Common Good

  • How Democrats can meaningfully engage religious voters

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:01:00] Introduction to Doug’s background and Vote Common Good

  • [00:03:00] Doug’s faith story and early questions about Christianity

  • [00:08:00] Embracing scripture through open interpretation

  • [00:17:00] The Emergent Church explained

  • [00:30:00] Why Vote Common Good was founded

  • [00:43:00] Surprising insights from their faith voter polling

  • [00:54:00] Six words to win back religious voters

  • [01:02:00] Where Democrats often miss the mark

Featured Quotes:

  • “I didn’t have to unlearn a Sunday school version of Christianity. I got to take Jesus at face value.” 

  • “We’re not asking candidates to be Christians. We’re asking them to like Christians.” 

  • “The difference between being required and being invited makes all the difference.”

  • “Human beings organize our lives around patterns. The danger is when we mistake those patterns for the divine.”

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Us vs. Them: Practical Ways to Counter the Polarization That's Killing Us

Thursday Jun 19, 2025

Thursday Jun 19, 2025

In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan explores how the "us vs. them" mindset is damaging our democracy and personal relationships. Sharing powerful stories and reflections, Corey examines how this mentality can escalate from figurative harm to literal violence—and what we can do to stop it.

What Is Discussed:

  • How to recognize and avoid “us vs. them” thinking

  • Why specificity matters more than generalizations

  • How to reframe conversations to foster understanding

  • When it’s best to disengage from toxic interactions

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:01:00] The real-life consequences of political tribalism

  • [00:03:00] How a quote from the Declaration of Independence sparked online hostility

  • [00:15:00] Why generalizing leads to vilification

  • [00:21:00] Reactions to the peaceful “No Kings” rally

  • [00:28:00] How to name and address divisive rhetoric

  • [00:34:00] When it’s healthier to walk away

Featured Quotes:

  • "Think specifically, not generally."
  • "Shift our disposition from facing off to side by side."
  • "Sometimes, you just gotta know when to walk away."

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Muster Your Courage & Heal Our Civic Square with Liz Joyner, Founder and President of The Village Square

Monday Jun 16, 2025

Monday Jun 16, 2025

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Liz Joyner, founder and president of The Village Square, a civic organization dedicated to bridging divides and fostering dialogue across political and cultural lines. Liz shares the story behind founding The Village Square, her passion for preserving democratic values, and her experience navigating political polarization with grace, humor, and tenacity. As dear friends and collaborators, Corey and Liz offer listeners a heartfelt and insightful conversation about the importance of disagreement, empathy, and genuine connection.

What You Will Learn:

  • How Liz Joyner built The Village Square to combat political divisiveness

  • The power of human connection and shared experiences in fostering civic trust

  • Key strategies for having meaningful conversations across ideological divides

  • Why now is a pivotal moment for preserving democracy and civil discourse

  • How personal stories and experiences shape our political views and actions

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:01:00] Introduction to Liz Joyner and her work with The Village Square
  • [00:06:00] Reflecting on her family’s military background and public service
  • [00:13:00] The key question: How can we engage across our differences?
  • [00:22:00] The role of The Village Square’s God Squad in promoting interfaith dialogue
  • [00:31:00] The psychological roots of tribalism and political polarization
  • [00:50:00] The threat to public humanities and the importance of civic institutions
  • [01:00:00] Liz’s favorite spot in D.C. and its symbolic value for democracy

Featured Quotes:

  • “We just need to do it. Reach out. Make the call. Share a meal. Be human.”

  • “When we see others up close, we see their good intentions. That’s where empathy begins.”

  • “Disagreement, done well, is the genius behind our democracy.”

  • “The genius of our system is that it relies on heterogeneity—on us learning from each other.”

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Kamy Akhavan on What's Actually Happening in Los Angeles, the Root Causes, and Bridging Our Divides

Friday Jun 13, 2025

Friday Jun 13, 2025

In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Kamy Akhavan, Executive Director at the USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future and former CEO of ProCon.org. Kamy shares his extraordinary journey from war-torn Iran to becoming a champion of civil discourse and political bridge-building in the United States. 

What We Discuss:

  • Kamy’s powerful immigration story and personal connection to today’s immigration challenges

  • What's actually happening in Los Angeles vs what many news programs are showing

  • How debate and listening helped shape Kamy’s open-minded leadership

  • The mission of USC’s Center for the Political Future and its bipartisan impact

  • The root causes of polarization and how we can counteract them

  • Why respect, listening, and humility are foundational for meaningful dialogue

Episode Highlights:

  • [00:01:00] Kamy’s homage to Parliament Funkadelic and Sly Stone

  • [00:06:00] Living through war in Iran and escaping with his family

  • [00:14:00] Adjusting to poverty in Louisiana and finding strength in education

  • [00:18:00] Discovering a passion for political discourse through debate

  • [00:27:00] Leaving management consulting to lead ProCon.org

  • [00:30:00] Kamy's role at USC’s Center for the Political Future

  • [00:39:00] Building a culture where tough conversations can happen respectfully

  • [00:55:00] A deeper look into today’s immigration debates and polarization

Featured Quotes:
"Every person you meet knows more than you do about something. If you approach with humility, every conversation becomes a chance to learn." — Kamy Akhavan
"If you really want to be a powerful advocate for your cause, the best tool you have isn’t your mouth—it’s your ears." — Kamy Akhavan
"We all inherit democracy. And that inheritance is a gift many have died for." — Kamy Akhavan

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