
Politics and Religion. We’re not supposed to talk about that, right? Wrong! We only say that nowadays because the loudest, most extreme voices have taken over the whole conversation. Well, we‘re taking some of that space back! If you’re dying for some dialogue instead of all the yelling; if you know it’s okay to have differences without having to hate each other; if you believe politics and religion are too important to let ”the screamers” drown out the rest of us and would love some engaging, provocative and fun conversations about this stuff, then ”Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other” is for you!
Episodes

17 minutes ago
17 minutes ago
In this episode, host Corey Nathan shares his candid thoughts on hope, concerns about the state of democracy, and the importance of engaging in meaningful conversations. Inspired by recent discussions with David French and Charlie Sykes, Corey explores whether he remains hopeful about the future—both at the national level and in his local community.
What You Will Learn
- The state of American democracy and the balance of power
- How the First Amendment is being threatened
- Why the judicial branch has been a critical check on executive overreach
- The role of civil discourse in bridging ideological divides
- How personal relationships offer reasons for hope
Episode Highlights
[00:00:00] – Introduction: Exploring the question of hope in today’s political climate
[00:01:30] – Why Corey is concerned about the balance of power in government
[00:05:00] – The judicial branch as a key safeguard against executive overreach
[00:07:30] – Threats to First Amendment rights, including freedom of speech and the press
[00:12:00] – The rise of online hostility and how it impacts public discourse
[00:18:00] – Finding hope through local engagement and personal relationships
[00:22:00] – The power of human connection in bridging political divides
Featured Quotes
"I have concerns about the balance of power and our First Amendment rights—but that doesn't mean I’m without hope."
"When we engage with each other at the local level, it becomes about relationships instead of transactions."
"If we really want to change things, we have to start by recognizing each other's humanity."
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5 days ago
5 days ago
In this episode, we welcome back David French, columnist for The New York Times, former constitutional attorney, and author of Divided We Fall. We discuss the current state of American democracy, the challenges of political division, and how we can engage in civil discourse despite deep ideological differences. David also shares a personal update on his family and reflects on the profound trials and growth that come with adversity.
📌 What We Discuss:
✔️ How David and his family navigated the challenges of a serious health crisis.
✔️ The rise of political polarization and the factors driving it.
✔️ Why distinguishing between “unwise, unethical, and unlawful” is crucial in analyzing political actions.
✔️ How consuming different perspectives (even opposing ones) helps in understanding political dynamics.
✔️ The role of Christian values in politics and how they are being redefined.
⏳ Episode Highlights
📍 [00:01:00] – David French’s background and his journey from litigation to journalism.
📍 [00:02:30] – Personal update: David shares his wife Nancy’s battle with cancer and their journey as a family.
📍 [00:06:00] – How to navigate personal trials while maintaining faith and resilience.
📍 [00:10:00] – The danger of political paranoia and the pitfalls of extreme polarization.
📍 [00:18:00] – The "friend-enemy" paradigm in American politics and its influence in Christian fundamentalism.
📍 [00:24:00] – Revisiting Divided We Fall: How America’s divisions have devolved since 2020.
📍 [00:40:00] – The categories and differences of unwise, unethical, and unlawful political actions.
📍 [00:55:00] – The balance between justice, kindness, and humility in political engagement.
📍 [01:00:00] – The After Party initiative: A Christian approach to politics focused on values rather than policy.
💬 Featured Quotes
🔹 "You don't know who you truly are until your values are tested." – David French
🔹 "If we focus on the relational, we can have better conversations even across deep differences." – Corey Nathan
🔹 "Justice, kindness, and humility—if you're missing one, you're doing it wrong." – David French
🔹 "The United States has a history of shifting without repenting. We just move on." – David French
📚 Resources Mentioned
- David French’s Writing: New York Times
- David’s Book: Divided We Fall
- The After Party Initiative – More Info
- Advisory Opinions Podcast (with Sarah Isgur & David French) – Listen Here
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7 days ago
7 days ago
In this episode we dive into the complex issue of Ukraine, America's involvement, and the broader implications for democracy and global alliances. This episode is an exploration of how we can develop reasoned positions on global conflicts, engage in informed discussions, and recognize the limitations of our own expertise.
What We Discuss
- How to approach discussions about Ukraine with a reasoned, principled perspective.
- The importance of distinguishing between facts and opinions in political discourse.
- How to recognize and rely on credible experts rather than self-appointed commentators.
- Strategies for engaging in meaningful conversations with those who hold different views.
- Why shared values and historical context matter in forming ethical positions.
Episode Highlights
[00:01:00] – Corey introduces the topic, emphasizing the importance of forming reasoned opinions based on principles rather than political affiliations.
[00:04:00] – The rise of divisive, “owning the libs” mentalities in political discourse and the shift away from virtues like decency and integrity.
[00:06:00] – Discussion of a powerful article by Dr. Russell Moore on the moral costs of ignoring Ukraine’s plight and the dangers of moral relativism in international affairs.
[00:09:00] – The importance of verifying facts through reputable sources like the Council on Foreign Relations, rather than relying on partisan opinionators.
[00:13:00] – Why experts like Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Anne Applebaum and military expert Alexander Vindman are critical voices in understanding the Ukraine conflict.
[00:18:00] – The dangers of allowing misinformation to shape public opinion and the tactics used in political debates to shift blame and avoid accountability.
[00:24:00] – Strategies for having better conversations, including finding shared values, hunting for points of agreement, and engaging with intellectual humility.
[00:28:00] – A reflection on balancing justice, kindness, and humility in both personal interactions and global politics, inspired by Micah 6:8.
Featured Quotes
🗣 “We can formulate reasoned positions on complicated issues, including Ukraine, by starting with principles rather than political affiliations.”
🗣 “Opinion is not fact. There’s a difference between listening to a trusted expert and being swayed by a partisan commentator.”
🗣 “What does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God...” – Micah 6:8
Resources Mentioned
- Dr. Russell Moore’s Essay – The Moral Cost of Murdering Ukraine
- Anne Applebaum’s Article – The End of the Post-War World
- Council on Foreign Relations – Ukraine Conflict Updates (CFR)
- Alexander Vindman’s Book – The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine
- Ross Douthat’s Opinion Piece – Trump and Vance Are Stripping Away Foreign Policy Illusions
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Sunday Mar 02, 2025
Sunday Mar 02, 2025
In this episode we sit down with Congressman Ritchie Torres, a fighter from the Bronx who has spent his life advocating for his community. We discuss pressing issues such as the social safety net, housing inequality, mental health, bipartisanship, and Rep. Torres’ personal journey from public housing to Congress. We also touch on Israel, antisemitism, and the future of American democracy.
What We Discuss:
- How Congressman Torres’ personal experiences with poverty and public housing shaped his political career.
- His perspective on the Republican budget resolution and its impact on working-class Americans.
- Why mental health advocacy is deeply personal to him and the tools he uses to maintain his well-being.
- His unwavering support for Israel and the backlash he has faced because of it.
- Insights on the current political landscape, Donald Trump’s influence, and the need for bipartisanship.
- Whether Rep. Torres is considering a run for governor of New York and what motivates his political aspirations.
- How to engage in better political and religious discussions without hostility.
Episode Highlights:
[00:01:00] Introducing Ritchie Torres – His background, legislative achievements, and what drives him.
[00:02:00] GOP Budget Cuts & Social Safety Net – Why the latest proposal is a “frontal assault” on working-class Americans.
[00:04:00] Personal Story & His Greatest Hero – How being raised by a single mother in the Bronx shaped his worldview.
[00:07:00] Mental Health & Politics – How Rep. Torres overcame depression and why he’s open about talking about mental health.
[00:14:00] Facing Backlash for Supporting Israel – The threats and vitriol he has endured for his stance.
[00:20:00] Avoiding Political Distractions – Why he focuses on core economic issues instead of social media trends.
[00:22:00] Trump 2.0 & The Future of Democracy – His concerns about a second Trump presidency.
[00:25:00] Political Future: Running for Governor? – Why he believes New York needs a new generation of leadership.
[00:27:00] How to Talk Politics Without Killin' Each Other – The importance of intellectual humility and pluralism.
Featured Quotes:
“Before I’m a congressman or a councilman, I’m first and foremost the son of my mother...”
“I refuse to live in fear of the extremes. I insist on doing what I think is right, even if it means standing alone.”
“Not only should civil discourse be possible, it’s a necessity for a pluralistic democracy like ours.”
“If you do the same thing over and over and expect a different result, that’s the definition of insanity.”
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Thursday Feb 27, 2025
ICYMI: 7 Tools for Engaging With "Them"
Thursday Feb 27, 2025
Thursday Feb 27, 2025
Can we bridge the partisan divide and have constructive dialogue about politics and religion with "them" - people who have different beliefs about democracy, politics and religion? Are we able to simply have civil, civic conversations?
(We're grateful to have a number of new listeners. So we thought it'd be good to revisit this episode that was first aired just after the inauguration.)
In this edition, host Corey Nathan explores how we can have meaningful, respectful, and productive conversations with those who think differently from us—politically, religiously, and ideologically. After four years of hosting the show and speaking with a wide array of guests, Corey shares his own insights, offering seven practical tools (plus a bonus tip) for engaging with “one of them” in a way that fosters connection rather than division.
What Is Discussed
- How to give yourself and others grace in difficult conversations
- The importance of setting proper expectations when discussing sensitive topics
- Why asking the right questions is more powerful than having the perfect comeback
- How storytelling can humanize those with whom we disagree
- The value of being open to the phrase "I never thought of it that way"
- How to recognize when it’s time to step away from a conversation or to love someone "from a safe distance"
- Resources and organizations that can help you navigate difficult discussions
Episode Highlights
⏳ [00:02:00] – Reviews from listeners: the good, the bad, and the constructive
⏳ [00:05:00] – The purpose of this episode: sharing tools for engaging with "one of them"
⏳ [00:06:00] – Tool #1: Grace – Accepting that we will all make mistakes in these conversations
⏳ [00:09:00] – Tool #2: Proper Expectations – Why we shouldn't expect to change someone's mind 180 degrees
⏳ [00:12:00] – Tool #3: Asking Questions – Learning from Jesus' approach of responding with questions
⏳ [00:20:00] – Tool #4: Storytelling – The power of narrative in understanding each other as human beings
⏳ [00:25:00] – Tool #5: Being Open to "I Never Thought of It That Way" Moments
⏳ [00:32:00] – Tool #6: Recognizing Your Line – Knowing when to step away from an unhealthy dynamic
⏳ [00:35:00] – Tool #7: Equipping Yourself – Books, organizations, and resources for learning how to engage better
⏳ [00:38:00] – Bonus Tip: Taking Care of Yourself – Mental, emotional, and physical well-being in this work
Featured Quotes
📢 “Give yourself grace. You’re not going to get it right every time.”
📢 “If we ask the right question, it allows that person, instead of being in a posture of combat, to tell their story.”
📢 “Trying to inform, like trying to win, can get in the way of trying to listen.” – Monica Guzmán (as quoted in the episode)
📢 “People are mysteries, not puzzles.” – Monica Guzmán
Resources Mentioned
📖 Books:
- I Never Thought of It That Way – by Mónica Guzmán
- How to Know a Person – by David Brooks
🌍 Organizations:
- The Village Square – Encouraging healthy civic discourse
- Braver Angels – Bridging political divides through dialogue
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- Patreon – Support the show
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Monday Feb 24, 2025
Monday Feb 24, 2025
In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show.
The conversation dives into Bishop Budde’s faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration.
What We Discuss
- Bishop Budde’s personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church.
- The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today’s polarized climate.
- How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism.
- The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights.
- Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect.
Episode Highlights
[00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde.
[00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences.
[00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her.
[00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition.
[00:26:00] – Bishop Budde’s response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love.
[00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance.
[00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges.
[00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences.
[01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde’s work.
Featured Quotes
"If it’s not about love, it’s not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It’s about choosing to respond with love even when it’s difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
Resources Mentioned
- Bishop Budde’s Book: How We Learn to Be Brave
- Episcopal Diocese of Washington – www.edow.org
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Friday Feb 21, 2025
The #1 Antidote for Toxic Partisanship
Friday Feb 21, 2025
Friday Feb 21, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan takes on one of the biggest challenges in today’s society: toxic partisanship. He explores how political and social divisions have deepened, fueled by media, social networks, and entrenched ideological battles. But rather than just diagnosing the problem, Corey offers a powerful antidote—getting local and engaging in real-life, face-to-face conversations. He draws inspiration from scholars like Jonathan Haidt, Katherine Stewart and Robert Putnam, as well as his personal experiences, to make a compelling case for community-based solutions to polarization.
What We Discuss
✅ The real extent of political division in America—and why it's not as bad as it seems
✅ How social media and national narratives exaggerate our differences
✅ The philosophy of Carl Schmitt and its impact on modern political discourse
✅ Why local engagement—like city council meetings, PTAs, and even bar conversations—is the key to bridging divides
✅ Practical steps to foster meaningful discussions and rebuild relationships
Episode Highlights
⏳ [00:02:00] – The growing problem of toxic partisanship and how social media makes it worse
⏳ [00:05:00] – A study from More in Common shows Americans want unity, but doubt the other side does
⏳ [00:09:00] – Corey shares personal examples of online political attacks and how they reflect broader polarization
⏳ [00:14:00] – A key solution: Local engagement and organizations like Village Square
⏳ [00:17:00] – How shared community goals, like better roads and schools, help bridge ideological divides
⏳ [00:20:00] – The inspiring story of Joe Walsh and Fred Guttenberg: Two ideological opposites who became close friends
⏳ [00:23:00] – The challenge of engaging with people who seem beyond reach—and knowing when to step away
⏳ [00:26:00] – A call to action: Take the first step, invite someone for coffee, and start humanizing one another
Featured Quotes
🗨️ "Division defines the country, but the desire to be united transcends parties." – More in Common study
🗨️ "The number one antidote to toxic partisanship is simply getting together." – Corey Nathan
🗨️ "When you're with each other, you're no longer just a data point—you’re a human being." – Corey Nathan
🗨️ "We don't have to agree on everything to build something better together." – Liz Joyner, Village Square
Resources Mentioned
🔗 Village Square – Bridging divides through local community engagement
🔗 More in Common Study – Research on polarization and unity
🔗 Jonathan Haidt’s Work – Understanding social and political divisions
🔗 Robert Putnam’s Bowling Alone – How community engagement strengthens democracy
🔗 Joe Walsh & Fred Guttenberg’s Story – Bridging the political divide
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Monday Feb 17, 2025
Monday Feb 17, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes investigative journalist and author Katherine Stewart back to the show. Katherine has spent over 15 years researching and reporting on religious nationalism and its impact on American democracy. Her new book, Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy, exposes the deep financial and ideological networks fueling Christian nationalism and the broader anti-democratic movement.
This conversation explores how extreme wealth, disinformation, and religious nationalism are being weaponized against democracy—and what we can do about it.
📌 What We Discuss
- How Katherine Stewart uncovered the deeper connections between Christian nationalism and the assault on democracy.
- The role of money and misinformation in fueling anti-democratic movements.
- The reactionary nihilism driving today’s far-right ideologies.
- The influence of Carl Schmitt’s philosophy on modern authoritarian movements.
- The connection between Christian nationalism and billionaire-funded political agendas.
- How we can protect democracy and fight back against these movements.
⏳ Episode Highlights
[00:00:00] – Introduction to Katherine Stewart
Corey introduces Katherine Stewart, her investigative work, and her new book Money, Lies, and God.
[00:03:00] – The Origins of Her Investigation
Katherine shares how her research started with Good News Clubs infiltrating public schools and evolved into uncovering a broader movement attacking democracy.
[00:12:00] – The Enlightenment Ideals America Was Founded On
How fundamental American values like pluralism and democracy are under attack by Christian nationalist movements.
[00:19:00] – The Role of Money, Lies, and Christian Nationalism
How billionaires, propaganda, and religious nationalism work together to undermine democracy.
[00:28:00] – The Psychology of the Movement
Stories from inside Moms for Liberty and other right-wing organizations, and how fear and misinformation fuel these movements.
[00:32:00] – Carl Schmitt and the Playbook of Authoritarianism
How Nazi political theorist Carl Schmitt’s ideas on power, division, and permanent emergency are influencing the New Right.
[00:41:00] – Why We Should Be Concerned—and What We Can Do
Katherine explains why we should be alarmed, but also how grassroots activism can defend democracy.
[00:44:00] – Final Thoughts: How We Can Build a Pro-Democracy Coalition
Katherine shares her six key takeaways from Money, Lies, and God and why organization and truth-telling matter now more than ever.
📢 Featured Quotes
"They told us they were going to smash the institutions that safeguard democracy—and that’s exactly what they’re doing."
"This movement isn’t just about the culture wars—it’s about power, money, and dismantling democracy itself."
"They want to replace public education with a religious and corporate-controlled system. The culture wars are just a smokescreen."
"Not everybody who wants to go back to the ‘good old days’ is a nihilist. But those who want to smash democracy in pursuit of a mythical past certainly are."
📚 Resources Mentioned
- Katherine Stewart’s Website: KatherineStewart.me
- Money, Lies, and God: Inside the Movement to Destroy American Democracy – Available Everywhere Books Are Sold
- Carl Schmitt’s Political Theories – Learn More
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Saturday Feb 15, 2025
Have Christians Forgotten the First Commandment?
Saturday Feb 15, 2025
Saturday Feb 15, 2025
In this edition, Corey Nathan challenges listeners—especially his fellow Christians—to consider whether they have forgotten the first commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." He explores how idolatry has evolved beyond worshiping wooden idols and now manifests in politics, ideology, and the way Christians engage with their faith in a modern democracy.
This is meant to be an open conversation for people of all beliefs. Corey discusses the intersection of faith and civic engagement, posing challenging questions about whether political preferences are shaping morality rather than the other way around.
📌 What We Discuss
✔️ How idolatry in modern times is often just a few degrees off from traditional religious practices.
✔️ Why many Christians reject the Jesus of the Gospel in favor of political leaders and ideologies.
✔️ The dangers of replacing the God of Scripture with a God of personal or political making.
✔️ How politics has become a form of religion for many.
✔️ A deep dive into reactions to Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde’s sermon and what it reveals about faith in America today.
⏳ Episode Highlights
[00:00:00] – Introduction: Corey welcomes listeners and introduces the big question: Have Christians forgotten the first commandment?
[00:02:30] – The Meaning of Idolatry Today: It’s not about golden statues but about how religious practices can be slightly distorted—just a few degrees off—leading to misplaced worship.
[00:05:45] – Rejecting the Jesus of the Gospel: Corey recounts the backlash against Bishop Budde for quoting Jesus and discusses how some Christians react negatively to Christ’s actual teachings when they challenge political views.
[00:14:30] – Creating a God in Our Own Image: Are Christians shaping their beliefs to fit their politics, rather than aligning their politics with their faith?
[00:18:10] – Trump, Religion, and the Fruit of the Spirit: Corey examines whether Trump’s actions and character align with Christian virtues, calling out the contradictions in how some Christians perceive him as a godly leader.
[00:21:40] – Religious Symbols and Political Extremism: Corey discusses alarming juxtapositions, like crosses displayed next to gallows on January 6th, and the disturbing fusion of faith and nationalism.
[00:26:45] – The Politics of Cruelty: Highlighting Pete Wehner’s critique of USAID cuts and how many self-proclaimed Christians align with leaders who embrace cruelty.
[00:30:00] – Final Reflection: How do we participate in healing a broken world rather than contributing to its fractures?
💬 Featured Quotes
🗣️ “Idolatry isn’t necessarily about worshiping something completely different—it’s about replacing God with something that looks like God but is just a few degrees off.”
🗣️ “If you start with political affiliation and back everything else into that—including morality, truth, and even basic decency—you’ve made politics your god.”
🗣️ “The world is supposed to look at Christians and see Jesus. But too often, it sees something monstrous.” – John Pavlovitz
🔗 Resources Mentioned
📖 The Beautiful Mess by John Pavlovitz – Substack
📰 The Cruel Attack on USAID by Pete Wehner – The Atlantic
🎥 Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde’s Sermon – YouTube
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Tuesday Feb 11, 2025
Tuesday Feb 11, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan engages in a timely and candid discussion with Marcus Ruiz Evans, the leader of the CalExit movement. Marc has been spearheading efforts to make California an independent nation for over a decade, publishing California’s Next Century 2.0 in 2012.
With the California Secretary of State recently approving a petition to start collecting signatures for an independence initiative, this conversation is more relevant than ever. Marc provides historical context, legal perspectives, and the strategic steps required to potentially break away from the United States.
📌 What We Discuss
✔️ Why California is a donor state—giving more to the federal government than it receives in return.
✔️ The legal and historical precedents for secession and why Marc believes it’s possible.
✔️ The step-by-step process of the CalExit initiative and how Californians can participate.
✔️ How political polarization and federal neglect are fueling the movement.
✔️ What happens if California becomes independent—from military bases to tax changes.
⏳ Episode Highlights & Key Moments
🕒 [00:02:00] – Marcus shares his personal story and deep ties to California’s culture and identity.
🕒 [00:08:00] – Why California’s infrastructure and social programs are underfunded despite its economic power.
🕒 [00:12:00] – Historical precedents: California’s brief history as an independent nation and lessons from Scotland’s independence movement.
🕒 [00:22:00] – The federal government’s treatment of California, including disaster relief neglect.
🕒 [00:31:00] – The current CalExit initiative: How to sign the petition and what it aims to achieve.
🕒 [00:39:00] – Would Congress allow California to secede? The politics behind the decision.
🕒 [00:43:00] – What would independence look like? Tax benefits and regulatory changes for businesses.
🕒 [00:47:00] – The growing divide in America and why the U.S. is as politically polarized as it was after the Civil War.
💬 Featured Quotes
🗣️ “California has been a donor state for over 45 years. We give more than we get, and we’re funding infrastructure for states that are already better off than us.” – Marcus Ruiz Evans
🗣️ “When the president of the United States tells California ‘I don’t know if I want to help you’ while people’s homes are burning, that’s not how you treat fellow countrymen.” – Marcus Ruiz Evans
🗣️ “The federal government stopped publishing reports on which states are donor states right after Governor Schwarzenegger called out the unfair system.” – Marcus Ruiz Evans
🗣️ “The legal claim that secession is impossible is false—Texas v. White actually allows it with the consent of Congress.” – Marcus Ruiz Evans
📚 Resources & Links Mentioned
🔗 Sign the Petition & Learn More – CalExitNow.org
📖 California’s Next Century 2.0 by Marcus Ruiz Evans
📚 The Big Sort: Why the Clustering of Like-Minded America Is Tearing Us Apart by Bill Bishop
📺 Marcus Ruiz Evans on YouTube
📜 Texas v. White – The Supreme Court case discussing secession legality
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Thursday Feb 06, 2025
The Homeless Conservative: Blake Fischer
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
Thursday Feb 06, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with Blake Fischer, the creator and host of The Homeless Conservative podcast. Blake describes himself as a constitutional conservative who feels politically "homeless" in today’s climate. They dive deep into politics, faith, and media, all while challenging ideological silos in an engaging and candid conversation.
Blake shares his unique political journey, from growing up in Oklahoma and getting involved in politics at an early age to becoming a musician touring the country in a punk-rock band. His experiences shape his political perspective, emphasizing constitutional principles, independent thinking, and holding both sides accountable.
📌 What We Discuss:
✔️ Blake’s political awakening and how his family's involvement in local politics shaped his views.
✔️ What it means to be a constitutional conservative in today’s political landscape.
✔️ How his Christian faith informs his political views—and why he's critical of the evangelical right’s embrace of Trump.
✔️ His take on Trump 2.0—what worries him and what he’s optimistic about.
✔️ The role of media in shaping public perception and the dangers of political silos.
✔️ How to have meaningful political discussions without losing friends (or your mind!).
⏳ Episode Highlights & Key Moments:
⏱️ [01:30] – Meet Blake Fischer, host of The Homeless Conservative podcast.
⏱️ [03:00] – Blake’s early exposure to politics—from family involvement to local campaigns.
⏱️ [06:30] – The evolution of political media, from cable news to opinion journalism.
⏱️ [10:00] – What does it mean to be a constitutional conservative? Why Blake believes in limiting government power.
⏱️ [19:00] – Blake’s background as a musician, touring in a punk rock band.
⏱️ [25:00] – His Christian faith and how it intersects with his politics.
⏱️ [33:00] – Processing the 2024 election cycle, from Biden’s debate performance to Trump’s nomination of J.D. Vance.
⏱️ [41:00] – What concerns Blake the most about Trump’s second term?
⏱️ [50:00] – The role of big tech and Elon Musk in Trump’s presidency.
⏱️ [57:00] – How can we have better conversations across political and religious differences?
💬 Featured Quotes:
🗣️ Blake Fischer on the Constitution: "The Constitution is brilliant—not because it grants us rights, but because it recognizes that our rights exist beyond government authority."
🗣️ On the evangelical embrace of Trump: "It’s not that Trump can’t be president; it’s that we should stop pretending he’s something he’s not."
🗣️ On political discourse: "The biggest mistake people make in political conversations is assuming bad intent. Most people believe they’re advocating for something good."
📚 Resources & Mentions:
🔗 The Homeless Conservative Podcast – Blake Fischer’s podcast
🔗 Jonah Goldberg – Conservative columnist and author
🔗 Thomas Sowell – Economist and political thinker
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Sunday Feb 02, 2025
Jonathan Rauch: Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy
Sunday Feb 02, 2025
Sunday Feb 02, 2025
In this episode, we welcome back Jonathan Rauch, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and a contributing writer at The Atlantic. Jon joined us to discuss his new book, Cross Purposes: Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy.
We dive deep into the intersection of faith, democracy, and civic engagement (that's our jam!), exploring how American Christianity has shifted in recent years and what that means for the future of our democracy. We also discuss the aftermath of the 2024 election, the rise of political tribalism, and the role of faith in shaping a more just and stable society.
What We Discuss
- How Jonathan Rauch’s perspective on faith and democracy evolved over time (including what Jon refers to as the dumbest thing he ever wrote).
- Why he believes Christianity has played a crucial role in supporting democracy—and where it has gone wrong.
- The key differences between “thin Christianity” and “thick Christianity.”
- How the LDS Church offers a model for civic engagement based on negotiation and peacemaking.
- Why the loss of institutional trust is fueling political and social instability.
- The role of Braver Angels and other organizations in bridging political divides.
Episode Highlights
⏳ [00:02:00] – Jonathan Rauch discusses his background, his past books, and his upcoming release, Cross Purposes.
⏳ [00:07:00] – Reflecting on the 2024 election and why it was surprisingly “ordinary” despite extreme circumstances.
⏳ [00:13:00] – How Trump’s second administration is reshaping democracy and institutions.
⏳ [00:22:00] – Rauch’s personal journey: From skepticism about religion to recognizing its role in democracy.
⏳ [00:35:00] – The rise of “thin Christianity” and how churches are struggling with political identity.
⏳ [00:44:00] – How the LDS Church provides an example of “thick Christianity” and civic engagement.
⏳ [00:57:00] – Rauch’s concerns about post-liberalism and authoritarian tendencies in American politics.
⏳ [01:10:00] – The importance of doubt, curiosity, and engaging across differences.
⏳ [01:17:00] – Final thoughts: How to be better citizens and people of faith in a pluralistic society.
Featured Quotes
💬 “I believed, with some justification, that Christianity was bigoted and cruel and hypocritical to minorities like me. And I was wrong.” – Jonathan Rauch
💬 “Liberalism, properly understood, means that all human beings are created free and equal. And if we lose that, we lose everything.” – Jonathan Rauch
💬 “The LDS Church is one of the few religious institutions that has thought through a theology of civic engagement. And that’s something all Christians can learn from.” – Jonathan Rauch
💬 “Jesus’ message is radical and countercultural. The question is: Are we actually following it?” – Corey Nathan
Resources Mentioned
📖 Cross Purposes: Christianity’s Broken Bargain with Democracy by Jonathan Rauch
📖 The Constitution of Knowledge: A Defense of Truth by Jonathan Rauch
🌎 Braver Angels – Bridging the Political Divide
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Thursday Jan 30, 2025
7 Tools for Engaging With "Them"
Thursday Jan 30, 2025
Thursday Jan 30, 2025
Is it possible to have decent conversations across political differences. Short answer: Yeah!
In this episode, host Corey Nathan explores how we can have meaningful, respectful, and productive conversations with those who think differently from us—politically, religiously, and ideologically. After four years of hosting the show and speaking with a wide array of guests, Corey shares his own insights, offering seven practical tools (plus a bonus tip) for engaging with “one of them” in a way that fosters connection rather than division.
What Is Discussed
- How to give yourself and others grace in difficult conversations
- The importance of setting proper expectations when discussing sensitive topics
- Why asking the right questions is more powerful than having the perfect comeback
- How storytelling can humanize those with whom we disagree
- The value of being open to the phrase "I never thought of it that way"
- How to recognize when it’s time to step away from a conversation or to love someone "from a safe distance"
- Resources and organizations that can help you navigate difficult discussions
Episode Highlights
⏳ [00:02:00] – Reviews from listeners: the good, the bad, and the constructive
⏳ [00:05:00] – The purpose of this episode: sharing tools for engaging with "one of them"
⏳ [00:06:00] – Tool #1: Grace – Accepting that we will all make mistakes in these conversations
⏳ [00:09:00] – Tool #2: Proper Expectations – Why we shouldn't expect to change someone's mind 180 degrees
⏳ [00:12:00] – Tool #3: Asking Questions – Learning from Jesus' approach of responding with questions
⏳ [00:20:00] – Tool #4: Storytelling – The power of narrative in understanding each other as human beings
⏳ [00:25:00] – Tool #5: Being Open to "I Never Thought of It That Way" Moments
⏳ [00:32:00] – Tool #6: Recognizing Your Line – Knowing when to step away from an unhealthy dynamic
⏳ [00:35:00] – Tool #7: Equipping Yourself – Books, organizations, and resources for learning how to engage better
⏳ [00:38:00] – Bonus Tip: Taking Care of Yourself – Mental, emotional, and physical well-being in this work
Featured Quotes
📢 “Give yourself grace. You’re not going to get it right every time.”
📢 “If we ask the right question, it allows that person, instead of being in a posture of combat, to tell their story.”
📢 “Trying to inform, like trying to win, can get in the way of trying to listen.” – Monica Guzmán (as quoted in the episode)
📢 “People are mysteries, not puzzles.” – Monica Guzmán
Resources Mentioned
📖 Books:
- I Never Thought of It That Way – by Mónica Guzmán
- How to Know a Person – by David Brooks
🌍 Organizations:
- The Village Square – Encouraging healthy civic discourse
- Braver Angels – Bridging political divides through dialogue
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Monday Jan 27, 2025
Monday Jan 27, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Julie Mason, renowned journalist and host of The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM’s POTUS channel. Julie brings decades of experience in journalism, spanning local, state, and national politics, and shares her sharp insights on the evolving media landscape, political discourse, and the state of journalism today.
What We Discuss:
- The evolving role of journalists in a polarized media environment.
- How to navigate news consumption and discern credible sources.
- Insights into the challenges of covering politicians and divisive topics.
- The growing intersection between social media platforms and journalism.
- Why re-engaging with quality news content is critical to democracy.
- Mike Pence: The King of Hilarity... Wait. WHAT?!?! No, really
Episode Highlights:
- [00:00:00] – Corey welcomes Julie back to the podcast after four years and reflects on her journey in journalism, from print reporting to hosting her SiriusXM show.
- [00:09:00] – Julie explains how she transitioned from print to radio and why she took the leap into the unfamiliar world of broadcasting.
- [00:20:00] – The challenges of modern journalism: Julie addresses disinformation, lies in politics, and why reporters must focus on stories that truly impact people’s lives.
- [00:27:00] – A discussion on how journalism is evolving to meet the needs of a fatigued audience, from long-form storytelling to true crime podcasts.
- [00:40:00] – Julie emphasizes the importance of journalists remaining stoic and professional, especially during major historical events like January 6th.
- [00:47:00] – Corey and Julie explore ways to have constructive conversations with people across ideological divides, drawing inspiration from bipartisan efforts in Congress.
- [00:55:00] – Julie’s call to action: Why supporting quality journalism through subscriptions and active engagement matters more than ever.
Featured Quotes:
- “You’ve got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they’re your friends.”
- “Politician lied is not really the story—focus on what impacts people’s lives.”
- “To have meaningful conversations, you have to put down your weapons and see the humanity in the other person.”
Resources Mentioned:
- The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM’s POTUS Channel – www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics
- Substack Recommendations:
- Dirty John Podcast – Listen Here
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Friday Jan 24, 2025
How Pro-Democracy Patriots Can Persist in an Anti-Democratic Time
Friday Jan 24, 2025
Friday Jan 24, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan addresses the pressing issue of how pro-democracy patriots - the large coalition of folks who believe in this American experiment - can endure during times when anti-democratic tendencies are metastasizing. Drawing from personal experiences, philosophical insights, and cultural reflections, we explore ways of maintaining hope, practicing discernment, and fostering meaningful connections amid political division.
What We Discuss:
- Strategies for practicing discernment in consuming media and news.
- The importance of mindfulness and staying present in times of uncertainty.
- How local and state-level civic participation can make a meaningful impact.
- Insights into nurturing relationships with those holding differing political views.
- The role of beauty, truth, and community in sustaining democratic ideals.
Episode Highlights:
- [00:00:00] Introduction: Corey shares updates on a recent wildfire evacuation and gratitude for firefighters' efforts.
- [00:03:00] Pro-Democracy Patriots: Corey explores how individuals committed to democracy can stay engaged and positive during anti-democratic times.
- [00:06:00] Reflecting on MLK Day: The significance of Martin Luther King Jr.’s legacy and the moral universe's arc bending toward justice.
- [00:10:00] Media Discernment: Corey discusses how he filters through news and commentary to focus on credible journalism and meaningful content.
- [00:19:00] Practicing Mindfulness: The importance of staying present in the moment to avoid spiraling into anxiety.
- [00:22:00] Truth and Beauty: A reflection on Kristen du Mez's advice to seek out beauty and truth for strength and grounding.
- [00:27:00] Navigating Relationships: Balancing relationships with those holding differing political views while maintaining personal boundaries.
- [00:28:00] Local Civic Engagement: Why local and state politics deserve more attention and how they affect daily life more significantly than federal issues.
Featured Quotes:
- “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” – Reflecting on MLK Jr.’s wisdom.
- “Practicing discernment means filtering out the junk from the substance and focusing on credible voices.” – Corey Nathan.
- “You can still love people who disagree with you—sometimes from a safe distance.” – Corey Nathan.
- “Truth is about staying generous in a world that baits you into resentment.” – Kristen Du Mez.
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Monday Jan 20, 2025
Monday Jan 20, 2025
Is there a church that can be for the rest of us? Are we living in a "post-evangelical" world?
In this episode, we welcome Joe Smith, lead pastor of Shift GNV in Gainesville, Florida, and host of the Shift Happens Podcast. Known for creating "a church for the rest of us," Joe shares his journey through faith deconstruction and reconstruction, building a community for those feeling spiritually homeless in a post-evangelical world. The conversation explores his innovative ministry, personal experiences, and the broader implications of inclusivity and resistance in modern faith communities.
Episode Highlights
- [00:01:00] - Corey introduces Joe Smith and dives into his work at Shift GNV, emphasizing the concept of "a church for the rest of us."
- [00:02:30] - Joe explains the origins and purpose of Shift GNV, creating a safe space for people navigating post-evangelical spirituality.
- [00:06:00] - Defining "post-evangelical" and reflecting on the societal shift away from rigid evangelical structures.
- [00:14:30] - Joe recounts his personal experience with religious trauma, including grappling with the fear-based teachings of his upbringing.
- [00:23:00] - The transformative impact of fatherhood on Joe's beliefs about gender roles and inclusion.
- [00:34:00] - A modern perspective on the parable of the Good Samaritan and its application to societal divisions today.
- [00:41:00] - Joe's views on resisting MAGA ideologies and the responsibility of faith communities to challenge injustice.
- [00:52:00] - Introducing the Post Evangelical Collective (PEC) and its role in fostering forward-thinking, inclusive church practices.
Featured Quotes
- "If I believe that God is love, then this [fear-based compulsion] doesn’t produce good fruit—it can’t be of God."
- "Jesus wasn’t scandalous for who he excluded, but for who he included."
- "My belonging to God isn’t complete until I understand my belonging to you."
- "The boundaries I set are the best way to love you and myself simultaneously."
Resources Mentioned
- Shift GNV: Shift Church Gainesville
- Shift Happens Podcast: Podcast Link
- Post Evangelical Collective: Learn More Here
- Recommended Reading: After Evangelicalism by Dr. David Gushee.
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Saturday Jan 18, 2025
The L.A. Wildfires Brought Out the Best of Us and Worst of Us
Saturday Jan 18, 2025
Saturday Jan 18, 2025
What has our response been to the wildfires in Los Angeles? Frankly, it's brought out some of the worst of us. But thankfully, there have also been many heroes from LA's firefighters and firefighters who came here from neighboring counties and states, to other countries including Mexico and Canada who lent manpower, vehicles and equipment, to everyday people who've offered up their homes, food and time to help in any way they can.
In this special edition of TP&R, we take a look at the devastating wildfires in Los Angeles. Corey shares personal experiences living near the affected areas in Santa Clarita and reflects on the dual nature of humanity's response—highlighting both acts of compassion and the spread of harmful misinformation. Corey calls attention to how political leaders and media figures handle disasters, the role of conspiracy theories, and how communities can unite in the face of adversity.
Episode Highlights:
- [00:01:00] Corey shares his firsthand experience with the high winds and proximity to the Hearst Fire in Sylmar.
- [00:03:00] Personal stories of friends and neighbors who lost homes or were displaced by the fires.
- [00:05:00] Discussion on Yair Rosenberg's article about conspiracy theories surrounding the wildfires.
- [00:07:00] Critique of political leaders exploiting the disaster for political gain, specifically Donald Trump and Speaker Mike Johnson.
- [00:10:00] Praise for Congressman Chuck Edwards’ efforts to combat misinformation following Hurricane Helene.
- [00:12:00] The role of media figures like Tucker Carlson, Matt Walsh and Dan Bongino in spreading divisive rhetoric.
- [00:17:00] Practical ways to support wildfire victims, including offering shelter, donations, and volunteering.
- [00:20:00] Encouragement to be part of "the best of us" through compassionate actions.
Featured Quotes:
- "Healthy communities ask themselves, what did we do wrong? Unhealthy ones ask, who did this to us?" – Yair Rosenberg
- "When did capitalizing on devastating natural disasters to score political points become a thing?" – Corey Nathan
- "Most people have done the right thing—neighbors looking out for neighbors, friends checking in with friends." – Corey Nathan
- "The ministry of 'that sucks'—sometimes the best thing you can do is just listen and be there." – Corey Nathan
Resources Mentioned:
- American Red Cross
- California Fire Foundation
- Charity Navigator
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- Yair Rosenberg's Atlantic Piece
- Rep. Chuck Edwards - Debunking Helene Response Myths
- Scott Galloway's No Mercy / No Malice
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Monday Jan 13, 2025
Wajahat Ali: Navigating Chaos and Divisiveness with Hope and Humanity
Monday Jan 13, 2025
Monday Jan 13, 2025
When there's such chaos amd divisiveness all around us, what can we do to cultivate a sense of hope and humanity?
In this episode, we welcome back Wajahat Ali, celebrated writer, editor of The Left Hook Substack, co-host of Democracy-ish Podcast, and author. Known for his humor and insight, Waj brings his unique perspective as a father, storyteller, and political commentator to discuss navigating the tumultuous political and social landscape of 2025. Together, Corey and Wajahat dive deep into themes of decency, empathy, and how to cultivate hope amid chaos.
Episode Highlights:
- [00:02:00] Wajahat muses about earning a "Five Timer Club" t-shirt.
- [00:04:00] Discussion on the California wildfires and the politicization of natural disasters.
- [00:06:00] Wajahat analyzes the blame game targeting DEI initiatives in crisis situations.
- [00:09:00] Corey and Wajahat explore the role of empathy and decency in politics.
- [00:11:00] Wajahat reflects on hope during his daughter’s cancer journey and how that translates to political resilience.
- [00:16:00] Star Wars analogy: How everyday people (the "Ewoks") can fight against authoritarianism.
- [00:22:00] A candid discussion on America's historical resistance to progress and how that impacts the current political climate.
- [00:35:00] The importance of rest and joy in sustaining activism and engagement.
- [00:54:00] Wajahat’s advice on engaging with people across ideological divides—when to plant seeds of change and when to walk away.
Featured Quotes:
- "Hope is optimism with action. It's believing in a better story but doing your part to get there." – Wajahat Ali
- "You can't save everyone. The caravan must move forward, but the doors remain open." – Wajahat Ali
- "We could have been so much better, and we chose this." – Wajahat Ali
- "One conversation with one person can create a ripple effect. Even a one-degree shift can matter." – Corey Nathan
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Thursday Jan 09, 2025
It's About Democracy and Decency
Thursday Jan 09, 2025
Thursday Jan 09, 2025
As we welcome in a new year, what is this moment about? What have we been leading up to? And what will the coming months and years be about?
In this episode, Corey reflects on the importance of democracy and decency in today's polarized climate. Emphasizing respectful dialogue and the significance of national and local political involvement, we explore the impact of the election and the ongoing challenges posed by political divisiveness. We delve into insights from notable essays and personal experiences, advocating for voting, recognizing the humanity in others, and knowing when to step away from unproductive conversations. Join us in the commitment to have more basic decency and to respect our democratic institutions.
Episode Highlights
- [00:00:00] Intro: The intersection of democracy and decency.
- [00:03:00] Discusses the significance of respecting election results for a healthy democracy.
- [00:05:00] Explores how many voters are motivated by opposition to perceived threats from the other side.
- [00:06:00] Highlights Masha Gessen's insights on liberal democracy versus populism.
- [00:08:00] Corey shares personal experiences with online threats related to political discourse.
- [00:10:00] Emphasizes the importance of modeling proper behavior after elections.
- [00:12:00] Reflects on David Brooks’ perspective on understanding people in all their complexities.
- [00:14:00] Discusses knowing when to disengage from toxic interactions to preserve well-being.
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Tuesday Jan 07, 2025
Tuesday Jan 07, 2025
(Given that yesterday was the 4 year anniversary of Jan. 6, 2021, an attempted violent disruption of the peaceful transfer of power, one of our nation's most cherished traditions, we thought it would be a good time to refresh our conversation with Prof. Danielle Allen who has been ensconced in the work of renovating our democratic institutions.)
Our democracy is brittle. Many would say our Constitutional Republic is in trouble. So what kind of work can we do on "actually renovating our institutions"?
We were fortunate to be joined by Dr. Danielle Allen, a democracy advocate, Harvard professor and nonprofit leader who's doing something about it. We talked about how to maintain a loving spirit when faced with "a lot of bleeps"; Danielle's fascinating family legacy and her "obsession" with democracy; what the heck a eudaemonist democratic pragmatist is; the ways the 5 freedoms articulated in the 1st Amendment are under threat; the merits of ranked choice voting, expanding the House of Representatives and other democratic renovations; the imperative of developing a civic portfolio; and how to "not let our differences take our humanity hostage."
Prof. Danielle Allen is James Bryant Conant University Professor at Harvard University. She is a professor of political philosophy, ethics, and public policy and director of the Democratic Knowledge Project and of the Allen Lab for Democracy Renovation. Outside the University, she is a co-chair for the Our Common Purpose Commission and Founder and President for Partners In Democracy, where she advocates for democracy reform to create greater voice and access in our democracy, and to drive progress towards a new social contract that serves and includes us all.
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Thursday Jan 02, 2025
Thursday Jan 02, 2025
(Getting to speak with Anne Applebaum was such an honor. She's not only one of the world's most prominent historians and writers, Anne's focus on the fragility of democracy and emerging autocracies couldn't be more timely.)
In the 20th Century, we had Cold War adversaries. In the early 2000s, George W. Bush talked about the Axis of Evil. But are those frameworks the most accurate way to understand the forces attempting to undermine not just democratic nations but democratic ideas? And to what degree have these antagonists - those that are fundamentally opposed to our core principles such as the freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly and basic human rights - pervaded U.S. politics?
In this episode we welcome Anne Applebaum, Pulitzer-prize winning historian, staff writer at The Atlantic and senior fellow at the Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. After discussing her motivations, experiences, and insights into the autocratic regimes and their impacts on global democracy, we dive into Anne’s new book Autocracy, Inc.: The Dictators Who Want to Run the World. We explore how autocracies collaborate, ways the rest of the world is complicit in autocratic behaviors, and strategies to combat these influences. The conversation also touches on Anne's personal history and initial fascination with the history, literature, culture and politics of the “Borderlands,” a region that includes Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Russia and beyond.
01:53 Anne's Early Career and Inspirations
16:29 The Concept of Autocracy, Inc.
29:44 Global Complicity in Autocracy
34:39 Hamas and Global Destabilization
37:05 Trump's Influence and Dictator Admiration
39:17 Russian Propaganda and Dark Money in US Politics
42:37 Autocracy, Inc. and Democratic Values
52:43 Engaging in Local Politics and Understanding the Big Picture
www.anneapplebaum.com/book/autocracy
AUTOCRACY IN AMERICA podcast - www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2024/08/introducing-autocracy-in-america/679474/
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Sunday Dec 29, 2024
Sunday Dec 29, 2024
(Speaking with Nancy was such a highlight of this year. In addition to all we discussed in this raw, beautiful, candid, downright funny conversation, I'm glad to report that subsequent to when we spoke, Nancy was able to "ring the bell" as a cancer survivor!)
We’re joined by author, essayist, investigative journalist and the gloriously feral Nancy French. We discuss Nancy's new memoir, GHOSTED: AN AMERICAN STORY, which involves deeply personal topics such as her experiences with sexual abuse, faith struggles, being a ghostwriter for politicians, and increasing political turmoil. Nancy also talks about navigating her long-standing personal and professional relationships amid the Trumpification of the Republican party; how the party has drifted away from folks like her even though Nancy’s positions and philosophy haven’t changed; and how her Christian faith has played a significant role in the journey. We also candidly explore the dynamics of interpersonal relationships, the complexities in religious institutions, and being resilient in troubled times.
Nancy French is a five-time New York Times bestselling author, essayist, investigative journalist, and storyteller at the Moth. She’s published op-eds and articles in the Washington Post, USA Today, Time and many other publications. Her investigative journalism into abuse at Kanakuk Kamps appeared on the front page of USA Today. Nancy is also the co-author of The After Party with friend of the pod Curtis Chang and she’s the author of the new memoir GHOSTED: AN AMERICAN STORY.
01:20 Nancy French: A Brief Introduction;
05:14 The Art of Ghostwriting;
09:53 The Journey of Discovery and Art;
13:45 The Struggles of Writing Your Own Story;
19:38 The Challenges of Confronting Past Abuse;
31:10 The Power of Love and Relationships;
37:47 The Struggle with Faith and the Church;
40:25 Reflections on Christian Faith and History;
41:16 Experiences of Divine Intervention;
42:07 Discussing Faith with Non-Believers;
46:19 Political Writing and Its Consequences;
50:12 The Shift in Political Identity (Despite Not Having Changed);
52:11 The Impact of Political Polarization;
55:34 The Power of Human Connection Across Differences
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Thursday Dec 26, 2024
Thursday Dec 26, 2024
Yeah, this ages well. Seriously... This conversation with Bill Kristol was from April of this year. Some of the discussion applied to that moment in time (eg. bemoaning the Mets tepid start to the 2024 season); but much of it still applies even given the outcome of the latest election. With that, here are the notes from one of our "Best of 2024" conversations...
Are REPUBLICAN VOTERS AGAINST TRUMP our greatest BULWARK against authoritarianism and the most significant constituency in DEFENDING DEMOCRACY TOGETHER? (Dad jokes about the future of our Constitutional Republic aside...) Bill Kristol shares his thoughts on the state of our democracy and how this year's consequential election is shaping up.
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So glad to be joined again by Bill Kristol, Editor at Large of The Bulwark; Director of Defending Democracy Together; and Host of Conversations with Bill Kristol. We took time to reflect on Bill’s early political experiences, including his roles in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, his academic career, and his work with the Project for the Republican Future. We also touch on our shared passion for baseball, particularly for the New York Mets! We then delve into Bill’s critical views on the Trump presidency, the rise of authoritarianism, and the importance of defending liberal democracy. He shares insights into his efforts with the Republican Voters Against Trump initiative and the importance of bipartisan engagement in preserving democratic norms. We then discuss the impact of social and political polarization, the significance of grassroots activism, and the need for open, exploratory dialogue across ideological divides. We wind down with Bill emphasizing the resilience of the American political system and the potential for positive change through collective action and constructive discourse.
00:52 Meet Bill Kristol: A Storied Career in Politics;
01:58 Baseball and Politics: A Personal Connection;
04:09 Navigating Political Ideologies: From Youth to Present;
05:41 The Evolution of Political Beliefs and the Impact of External Changes;
10:18 The Threat of Illiberalism and the Defense of Liberal Democracy;
15:21 Exploring the Dangers of Trumpism and Authoritarian Tendencies;
26:56 The Role of Intellectuals and Voters in Shaping Political Futures;
33:59 The Impact of Testimonials from Former Trump Voters;
34:53 The Strategy Behind Targeting Swing Voters;
35:54 Challenges and Strategies in Political Advertising;
36:55 Building a Broad Coalition Against Trump;
42:09 The Role of Money in Politics and Campaign Strategies;
44:34 Fostering Careers and Nurturing Talent in Politics;
50:43 The Evolution of Political Discourse and Outreach;
54:36 Final Thoughts on Political Engagement and Hope
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Sunday Dec 22, 2024
Sunday Dec 22, 2024
Are science and belief in God incompatible? Dr. Francis S. Collins, renowned for having led the Human Genome Project and the former Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), says science and faith are two different ways of understanding God's creation.
We dove right in and had so much to explore!
- His father's folk music collection that is a true national treasure;
- Connecting music with the mysteries of the universe both as a scientist and a person of faith;
- An encounter with a heart patient that led Dr. Collins to his faith in Christ;
- How he got the job to lead the Human Genome Project (no, it wasn't an answer to an ad on Craigslist);
- Leading the NIH during a worldwide pandemic;
- The ongoing harrassment and even death threats he and his colleagues at NIH have had to endure;
- Struggling to understand the emergence of the anti-vax movement;
- Nurturing relationships with folks who hold very different views such as the late Christopher Hitchens;
- The BioLogos Foundation;
- And the most interesting book club in the world!
Dr. Francis Collins is the former director of the National Institutes of Health. And was the longest serving director of NIH — spanning 12 years and three (very different) presidencies. Dr. Collins is a physician-geneticist noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the international Human Genome Project, which culminated in April 2003 with the completion of a finished sequence of the human DNA instruction book. Dr. Collins' research laboratory has discovered a number of important genes, including those responsible for cystic fibrosis, Huntington's disease, a familial endocrine cancer syndrome and, most recently, genes for type 2 diabetes among others. Dr. Collins was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in November 2007 and the National Medal of Science in 2009.
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Thursday Dec 19, 2024
Thursday Dec 19, 2024
(This was one of my favorite conversations of 2024 partly because Tom and I both did our best Robert DeNiro impressions toward the end.)
Let's talk candidly about why Gov. Josh Shapiro of PA wasn't chosen as Kamala Harris's running mate. Let's also assess the merits and potential drawbacks of Gov. Tim Walz of MN as the Democratic VP candidate. Oh, and while we're at it, how's that J.D. Vance pick working out for the Trump campaign?
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We're joined by Tom Nichols, staff writer at The Atlantic and professor emeritus of national-security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College, to discuss all of this and more! We get into Tom's background in a working-class family, his educational journey, and his career in academia. Tom also discusses his views on democracy, international security, and challenges in contemporary politics. We get to reflect on Tom's Greek Orthodox faith and how it shapes his beliefs, while contrasting his temperamentally and philosophically conservative outlook with the current stance of the Republican Party. Additionally, Tom offers insights on the importance of a balanced media diet in today's political landscape. And since Tom is a 5x Jeopardy champion, we do a little Robert DeNiro-inspired Jeopardy at the end!
03:30 Tom Nichols' Background and Upbringing
07:49 Influence of Church and Community
10:49 Orthodox Christianity and Politics
19:51 Political Philosophy and Conservatism
25:49 Discussion on Israel and U.S. Politics
32:56 Debating the Choice Between Shapiro and Walz
33:49 Tim Walz: The Normal Guy in Politics
36:24 Tim Walz's Background and Achievements
40:09 JD Vance: A Controversial Figure
46:40 Kamala Harris's Electability and Political Evolution
53:29 Media Consumption and Political Discourse
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Monday Dec 16, 2024
Monday Dec 16, 2024
“All who entered the Temple Mount entered by the right, circled to the right and exited by the left, except for one to whom something had happened, who entered and circled to the left...” (Mishnah Middot)
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Rabbi Sharon Brous, the founding rabbi of IKAR and author of THE AMEN EFFECT, delves into ancient Jewish rituals, the role of pain in human connections, and the transformative power of compassion and curiosity. Through heartfelt stories and profound insights, she explores the importance of staying engaged with those who challenge us and how communities can support each other in moments of deep sorrow and joy. The discussion also touches upon inclusivity in Jewish worship, dealing with vicarious trauma, navigating hard conversations such as differences over what's happening in Israel and the results of the U.S. election, and the significance of asking and truly listening to Malakh: "tell me about your heart."
00:52 Introducing Rabbi Sharon Brous
01:21 Exploring the Mishnah Middot
04:05 The Power of Ritual and Compassion
06:53 Personal Reflections on Sin and Mental Health
11:49 The Role of Community and Vulnerability
17:41 Balancing Leadership and Personal Burdens
24:22 Innovative Practices at IKAR
36:53 Challenges and Changes in Jewish Leadership
38:47 Navigating Differences in a Diverse Congregation
39:53 The Power of Curiosity and Compassion
47:05 The Importance of Staying at the Table
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Thursday Dec 12, 2024
How should we respond to the election? Fight? Surrender? Or is there another way?
Thursday Dec 12, 2024
Thursday Dec 12, 2024
How should we respond to the election? Fight? Surrender? Or is there another way? Let's "Meet the Majority" and see if we can figure it out!
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As part of our "Meet the Majority" series, this is a candid conversation on ideological differences, election surprises, and friendship. In this episode, Corey sits down with his long-time friend Brandon to explore their differing political views and the implications of recent elections. Corey explains the importance of maintaining relationships and having open dialogue despite political differences. Brandon, a staunch Republican, shares his life story, professional background, and family history. He discusses his views on national security, the shortcomings of the far left, and the influence of Trumpism on American politics and the church. Both Corey and Brandon delve into the complexities of being in the political middle today, their concerns about the future, and the need for more constructive discourse. The conversation highlights the importance of listening and understanding different perspectives to foster better relationships and navigate the current political landscape.
00:49 Meet the Majority Series: Background and Purpose
03:42 Brandon's Background and Political Views
07:19 Discussion on Liberalism and Conservatism
11:34 The Middle Ground in Politics
17:11 Concerns About Trump and the Future of the Republican Party
26:28 Impact of Trumpism on the American Church
28:24 Debating Presidential Impact and Religious Influence
30:26 Supreme Court and the Conservative Legal Movement
33:10 Navigating Political Differences and Building Relationships
37:25 Reflecting on Political Identity and Middle Ground
50:08 Concluding Thoughts and Future Conversations
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Monday Dec 09, 2024
Lanhee Chen, Public Policy Expert: "Coherence is overrated."
Monday Dec 09, 2024
Monday Dec 09, 2024
Is there any coherence to Trumpism from a policy standpoint? Public policy expert, Lanhee Chen, says coherence is overrated... at least at this moment.
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In this conversation with Lanhee Chen, we explore some hard questions in today's fraught political moment. As a key policy advisor to both Mitt Romney and Marco Rubio on their respective presidential campaigns, how can candidates and elected officials balance political considerations and policy priorities? Is there a place for a "compassionate conservative" in today's Republican Party? Is there a place for conservatives in today's California? We also discuss key moments that influenced Lanhee’s career, his conservative philosophy shaped by early experiences, and significant milestones like running for statewide office in California as a Republican. Lanhee shares insights into political coherence, the impact of electoral processes, and his stance on contemporary issues such as regulatory policies and international relations.
Lanhee Chen is a widely respected public policy expert who has advised numerous high-profile Republican candidates and served as a presidential appointee in both Republican and Democratic administrations. He is currently the David and Diane Steffy Fellow in American Public Policy Studies at the Hoover Institution, as well as the Director of Domestic Policy Studies and Lecturer in the Public Policy Program at Stanford University.
00:53 Guest Introduction: Lanhee Chen
01:36 Lanhee Chen's Early Interest in Politics
03:56 Formulating a Conservative Philosophy
09:06 Working with Mitt Romney
14:27 Challenges in Modern Politics
17:42 The State of California Politics
21:50 Advice for New Politicians
24:23 Impact of Electoral Processes
28:45 Electoral Reforms and Future Outlook
32:01 The Rise of Neopopulism in American Politics
34:43 Assessing Trumpism and Policy Coherence
37:34 Hope and Concerns for the Upcoming Administration
39:45 Reflecting on Biden's Legislative Accomplishments
46:49 Final Thoughts and Future Plans
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Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Matt Lewis on Trump, Politics, Faith and Holiday Movies
Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Do you find yourself generally hopeful or really concerned about this 2nd Trump Administration? Or are you just grabbing your popcorn and buckling up for the ride? Author, Columnist and Podcaster, Matt Lewis helps us work through all this and more.
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We’re joined on this episode by Matt Lewis, author of FILTHY RICH POLITICIANS and TOO DUMB TO FAIL. He is the host of the "Matt Lewis And the News" YouTube channel , co-host of "The DMZ" and co-host of “The Wrong Stuff" podcasts. We talk about the current state of democracy, the challenges faced by writers, and the shifts in media consumption. Matt shares his thoughts on Trump's campaign, the election results, and the implications of another Trump term. We also delve into personal topics such as family, faith, and the impact of politics on personal beliefs. And of course we mix in a little bit of movies, music and sports.
00:37 Guest Introduction: Matt Lewis
03:43 Shifting Focus to YouTube and Podcasts
08:19 Challenges of Political Opinion Journalism
11:06 Changing Media Landscape and Influencers
16:23 Election Predictions and Reflections
24:35 Democratic Party's Challenges and Future
35:17 Public Sentiment Post-Election
35:40 Trump's Influence and Political Violence
40:04 Understanding the Anger Towards Biden and Harris
43:02 Media Influence and Public Perception
46:26 Hopes and Concerns for Another Trump Term
52:38 Personal Reflections on Faith and Politics
59:00 Building Bridges Across Differences
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Monday Dec 02, 2024
Monday Dec 02, 2024
Since a lot of folks were doing the whole thanksgiving thing, I guess we can consider this counter-programming. Either way, in case you missed it...
Who's doing the canceling now? The leader doth protest too much... (the leaders of Presbyterian Church in America, that is.)
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In this edition, we take a look at a very public controversy surrounding the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) and David French. We'll highlight a significant dispute within the PCA, where a planned panel on dealing with polarization was cancelled due to the inclusion of French. We explore articles and commentary (quoting extensively from a number of pieces), especially focusing on PCA Elder Ben Dunson's misleading attacks against French's views. In this inquiry, the mischaracterizations and false witness borne by Dunson get proper scrutiny so we can contextualize David (and Nancy) French's positions. The episode also explores broader implications of such church conflicts, stressing the importance of honesty, intellectual rigor, and faithfulness to Scripture.
01:38 Today's Topic: The David French PCA Controversy
02:17 Background on David French and the PCA
03:42 Criticism and Mischaracterization of David French
12:31 David French's Actual Stance on Drag Queen Story Hour
17:47 David French's Actual Views on Same-Sex Marriage
20:05 David French's Actual Position on Legislation Involving Transgender Youth
27:23 Addressing Personal Attacks on David and Nancy French
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https://julieroys.com/pca-cancels-anti-polarization-panel-david-french-being-too-polarizing/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/09/opinion/presbyterian-church-evangelical-canceled.html
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/frenchpress/when-culture-wars-go-way-too-far/
https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/04/16/nancy-french-ghosted-book-cancer-david-french/
https://americanreformer.org/2024/05/david-french-and-the-pcas-general-assembly/

Thursday Nov 28, 2024
Thursday Nov 28, 2024
This was one of my favorite conversations over the last year or so. Figured it'd be nice to share it again...
We are joined in this episode by Writer, Producer, Actor and Mentor, LARRY WILMORE! We discussed what drew Larry to comedy, writing, acting and producing; and, yes, we did talk about the WGA strike; why, as a kid, he was compelled by the work of such greats as Houdini, Buster Keaton, the Marx Brothers and Flip Wilson; rebounding from professional setbacks and keeping a healthy mindset; his thoughts on the "TP&R question" - how to be better at talking about politics and religion across our differences; and we got pretty deep with the concept of consciousness, meaning and why humans have a desire to have a life of meaning.
Emmy Award winner Larry Wilmore is a prolific producer, actor, comedian, and writer. He is also the host of the excellent podcast Larry Wilmore: Black on the Air. Larry is perhaps best known for his role as host of Comedy Central’s The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore and as the “Senior Black Correspondent” on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Off-screen, Larry serves as co-creator and consulting producer on HBO’s Insecure, and helped to launch ABC’s black-ish as an executive producer and is a co-creator of the spin-off Grownish. Previously, he has written for In Living Color, The PJ’s (which he co-created), The Office (on which he also appeared), and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. He also served as creator, writer, and executive producer of The Bernie Mac Show, which earned him his Emmy for “Outstanding Writing for a Comedy Series” and a 2001 Peabody Award. In 2016, Larry hosted the White House Correspondents’ Association Dinner. Larry is also an author, having released his first book, I’d Rather We Got Casinos and Other Black Thoughts, in January 2009.
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Monday Nov 25, 2024
Unmasking Christian Nationalism: A Deep Dive with Katherine Stewart
Monday Nov 25, 2024
Monday Nov 25, 2024
Katherine Stewart is an expert who has been investigating religious nationalism for over 15 years. Given the impact of Christian Nationalism on churches around the country as well as on our democracy, this conversation comes at a critical time. The discussion delves into Katherine's insights from her recent book, THE POWER WORSHIPPERS and the upcoming MONEY, LIES AND GOD: INSIDE THE MOVEMENT TO DESTROY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. Discover the controversial role of Good News Clubs in public schools which she covered in her 2017 book; the strategies driving the Christian nationalist agenda; and the broader implications for American democracy. We also take a moment to highlight the importance of respectful dialogue on politics and religion, especially during family gatherings like Thanksgiving.
02:59 The Good News Club Controversy
06:19 Impact on Public Schools
16:50 Christian Nationalism Explained
22:47 Investigative Journalism Insights
26:01 Economic Grievances and Voting Behavior
26:48 Christian Nationalist Influence
30:11 Leonard Leo’s Plans to Weaponize Right Wing Policies
33:17 Pushing Back Against Christian Nationalism
37:41 Finding Common Ground in Political Conversations
44:02 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Thursday Nov 21, 2024
Thursday Nov 21, 2024
Someone I love voted for a different candidate at the top of the ticket. Can we still have a healthy, loving relationship? Can we still have any sort of relationship? Even when we disagree about something we feel so passionately about?
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In this episode, Corey’s lifelong friend, Natalie, joins the program as the first edition of our 'Meet The Majority' series. The recent election underscored that a lot of people we know and love voted differently than we did (at least at the top of the ticket). Those differences often exacerbate unspoken grievances and lead to decaying relationships. The other way to go forward in a time like this is to do the hard work of staying in relationship with each other - not with the intent to convince or persuade or to win an argument - although we can still have the conversation. We can still go there. And we can even disagree. But when we do go there, the practice is to lead with curiosity. Curiosity and not contentiousness. That’s what Natalie and Corey tried to model in this conversation.
01:15 Personal Reflections on Voting and Family
02:44 Leading with Curiosity in Political Conversations
03:41 Introducing Natalie: A Lifelong Friend
04:57 Natalie's Background
09:56 Political Upbringing and Shifting Views
15:06 College Years and Career Beginnings
26:36 Voting History and Political Shifts
40:05 Reflections on Trump's Leadership Style
43:39 Concerns About First Amendment Rights
44:53 Media Bias and Social Media Censorship
49:28 Political Conversations and Family Dynamics
52:29 Immigration and Border Control
01:02:18 Election Integrity and Popular Vote
01:17:44 The Aftermath of January 6th
01:22:28 Final Thoughts and Future Plans
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Tuesday Nov 19, 2024
Tuesday Nov 19, 2024
A Republican, a Democrat and an Independent walk into a podcast...
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So glad to have joined the hosts of Faithful Politics, Will Wright and Pastor Josh Burtram, to discuss the election results and reflect on our concerns regarding Trump's second term. We explore the complexities of political identity, the importance of community, and the need for clear boundaries in political discourse. The conversation delves into the intersection of faith and politics (of course!), the impact of hyperbole in political conversations, and the responsibility of individuals in their media consumption. We emphasize the need for discernment and understanding in navigating the evolving landscape of religious beliefs and political affiliations. We also explore the intersection of Christianity and politics, discussing the historical context of Christianity as a religion of empire versus the teachings of Jesus. We reflect on the implications of political power, the potential for violence, and the importance of accountability in leadership. Amidst concerns about the current political climate, we express hope for the future and the role of the church in promoting positive change. The discussion also touches on the challenges of engaging with differing ideologies and managing fear and anxiety in a politically charged environment.
00:00 Introduction to Faithful Politics Live Show
04:11 Reflections on the Recent Election Results
07:56 Concerns About Trump's Second Term
12:05 The Role of Identity and Community in Politics
16:00 Defining Terms in Political Discourse
19:50 The Intersection of Faith and Politics
24:13 Hyperbole and Its Impact on Political Conversations
28:10 Agency and Personal Responsibility in Media Consumption
32:13 The Evolution of Religious Beliefs in Politics
46:53 The Religion of Empire vs. the Religion of Jesus
50:06 Concerns About Political Power and Violence
52:45 Reflections on Presidential Power and Accountability
01:01:41 Hope Amidst Political Uncertainty
01:10:00 Engaging with Challenging Ideologies
01:19:00 Managing Fear and Anxiety in Politics
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Thursday Nov 14, 2024
Prof. Tommy Givens of Fuller | Q: "Are you an Evangelical?" A: "Yes. A bad one!"
Thursday Nov 14, 2024
Thursday Nov 14, 2024
Can Christians reckon with when the Bible is at odds with their political preferences, passions and prejudices? That just depends on who you ask. So we asked Dr. Tommy Givens, Assoc. Professor of New Testament Studies at Fuller Theological Seminary (and a pastor's kid to boot!), about Scripture, the church in America, and what the results of the election has revealed about it all.
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In this episode, we go deep:
- When did Tommy start to question the prevailing orthodoxy of the fundamentalist church of his youth?
- Evangelism - Is it simply persuading others "to be like me"? Or is it about joining life with our neighbors?
- What does Christianity have to say about war, friendship, and how to navigate a broken family?
- Should Christians work to occupy positions of power? (First, we need to ask whether Christians are necessarily good.)
- How can we negotiate life, politics, share a country or even just a meal with people who aren't like us?
- Are we reducing people's lives to the terms of this candidate vs. that candidate?
- And the art of strolling...
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www.fuller.edu/faculty/g-tommy-givens

Monday Nov 11, 2024
What the hell happened?!?! Meet the Majority.
Monday Nov 11, 2024
Monday Nov 11, 2024
In this episode, we take a hard look at what the hell happened in this election. Spoiler alert - What the hell happened, as our host fully admits: "I got it wrong!" So we look at specific ways any number of folks got it wrong. We also reflect on misconceptions about voters' values - what many of us wrongly assumed were shared values and priorities. But we also start to "Meet the Majority." As a majority of voters overlooked the myriad of sins of the once and future President, we take some time to understand who some of these individuals are. As tempting as it might be to hold all those who vote differently in contempt and to view the whole lot with malice, there are 10s of millions of people... actual human beings we can try to understand better if, for no other reason, than it's our own family members, friends we've known our whole lives, neighbors and work colleagues.
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Wednesday Nov 06, 2024
Wednesday Nov 06, 2024
How are you? No, really. How ARE you? Candidly, I’m having a hard time with how things played out on Tuesday. So, we thought it’d be good to re-visit this conversation about mental health from a couple months ago. The tools covered here have certainly helped me over the years. And hopefully you’ll find this helpful as well.
Perhaps this whole election season has been overwhelming. So we figured it's worthwhile to emphasize the importance of stepping back from all the chaos for mental well-being. The tools that are discussed include how meditation has been a transformative practice for many people, alongside other valuable “arrows in our quiver” like writing / prayer, physical exercise, nourishing the mind with great literature (fiction and non-fiction), fostering human connections, getting a healthy amount of rest and establishing helpful boundaries and rules of engagement.
00:36 Personal Journey and Struggles
03:06 Meditation: A Life-Changing Practice
10:56 The Power of Writing and Prayer
15:52 Exercise: Moving for Mental Health
18:16 Feeding Your Mind with Good Literature
21:43 The Importance of Fellowship
25:15 The Necessity of Rest
29:07 Setting Boundaries and Rules of Engagement
34:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Sunday Nov 03, 2024
Election 2024 Final Predictions: Battle of the Sexes and Trash Talk
Sunday Nov 03, 2024
Sunday Nov 03, 2024
Has there been anything that’s happened in the campaigns or in the news in recent days that’s fundamentally changed the course of this election? Would you believe that "trash talk" might be the October surprise that swings this race?
What about that poll conducted by J. Ann Selzer's firm for the Des Moines Register showing VP Harris leading Trump in Iowa 47% to 44%? Is that the outlier? Or has Selzer uncovered some fundamental dynamics in this race, much like her firm's polls did in 2016 and 2020, that others haven't picked up on?
Finally, what will be the final results of this election? As we record and share this episode, it's the eve of the eve of Election Day. So how's it gonna go? Listen in and hear Corey's take. (Don't worry. It's gonna be okay.) And...
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Thursday Oct 31, 2024
Thursday Oct 31, 2024
Who is my neighbor? “Our neighbors are not seen as fellow citizens, but as enemies to destroy, and even erase from our culture and politics by banning their books and history. That is the essence of white Christian nationalism.” Jim Wallis reminds us that Jesus shares a very different understanding of who our neighbors are.
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Jim Wallis is Georgetown University’s Archbishop Desmond Tutu Chair in Faith and Justice. He has served on President Obama’s White House Advisory Council on Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships, was the founder of Sojourners and is the author of multiple New York Times bestselling books including his latest book, THE FALSE WHITE GOSPEL: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy. But let's not forget, one of Rev. Wallis's favorite roles is that of "Coach Jim," as he was a Little League coach for many years.
00:51 Meet Jim Wallis: Faith and Justice Advocate
01:18 Coaching Little League: Lessons in Faith and Politics
06:48 Traveling Across America: Faith and Democracy
10:30 Poll Chaplains: Ensuring Safe Elections
19:06 Evangelicalism and Political Preferences
22:38 Confronting Bad Theology with True Faith
36:13 The Good Samaritan Parable: Who Is My Neighbor?
41:16 The Politics of Us vs. Them
46:28 Faith, Justice, and Humility
52:35 Hope vs. Optimism: A Deeper Look
57:30 Standing Up for Democracy and Faith
faithandjustice.georgetown.edu/media/the-soul-of-the-nation/
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Tuesday Oct 29, 2024
If Trump Wins: Projections and Impacts on Democracy
Tuesday Oct 29, 2024
Tuesday Oct 29, 2024
What if Trump wins? What can we realistically expect to happen? Here are a few outcomes that we can reasonably anticipate.
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In this episode, we delve into the potential consequences of Donald Trump winning another presidential term. We get into the implications for democracy - without hyperbole, only looking at a handful of outcomes we can reasonably expect to happen - including attacks on the press, threats to the freedom of assembly, and the co-opting of religious symbols and language. Much of this is derived from analyses by notable writers and personal insights as a conservative concerned about the future of our Constitutional republic.
00:55 The Trump Question: What If He Wins?
02:29 Trump's Potential Impact on Democracy
06:50 Freedom of the Press Under Threat
09:19 Freedom of Assembly and Speech
12:35 Trump and Religion: A Dangerous Mix
20:18 Final Thoughts and Call to Action
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Thursday Oct 24, 2024
Election Predictions and Polling Analysis: Key Insights with Carl Allen
Thursday Oct 24, 2024
Thursday Oct 24, 2024
Bottom line: Who's gonna win this damn election? A question many are asking. To which, like any good poker player would answer: It depends! Well, at least ya gotta listen to find out.
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It's so cool to be joined again by Carl Allen to delve into the intricacies of election predictions and polling analysis. In this conversation, we cover the inefficiencies in polling methodologies used by entities like Trafalgar and Atlas Intel to the impact of undecided and third-party voters on electoral outcomes. Important states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, and North Carolina are analyzed, highlighting early voting trends and their potential implications for candidates like Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. The role of prediction markets and Democratic strategies in key Senate races and swing states are also scrutinized, offering insights into the dynamics of voter behavior and the critical factors shaping the 2024 general election. Throughout, the significance of accurate, transparent data in informing the public and predicting election results is emphasized. And of course we had to squeeze in a bit of poker talk!
01:13 Discussing Election Predictions
05:24 Diving into Poll Data
06:25 Pennsylvania Poll Analysis
10:40 Understanding Polling Discrepancies
31:17 Forecasting Pennsylvania's Outcome
38:47 Significance of Third Parties in Elections
40:22 Swing States Analysis: North Carolina
41:38 Registered vs. Likely Voter Polls
45:11 Undecided Voters and Polling Errors
49:31 Late Breakers and Election Predictions
01:03:04 Senate Races and Calculated Risks
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1032483024
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Friday Oct 18, 2024
Friday Oct 18, 2024
How similar is opening a movie to getting a candidate elected? How much is opening weekend like Election Day? Christine Birch - who's worked on hundreds of movies, generated billions in box office receipts, and is the first and only W.O.C. to run marketing for 3 movie studios - has some thoughts.
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In this special crossover episode, we’re joined by Christine Birch, a renowned Hollywood marketing executive with a storied career involving icons like Steven Spielberg and Will Smith. We delve into political campaigns, the impact of media misinformation, book bans targeting authors like Toni Morrison, and cultural shifts in storytelling. We get into Birchy's experiences in the film industry, the challenges of adapting black stories, her candid advice for empowering women of color, and the complexities of navigating hard discussions. We also discuss the role of black women in society, the moral dynamics influencing voter behavior in the Trump era, and the need for innovation in both the political and film industries. With personal anecdotes, social critiques, and reflections on American identity, this episode offers a comprehensive exploration of how culture, politics, and Hollywood intersect in shaping societal narratives.
01:12 Introducing Christine Birch: A Hollywood Unicorn
02:02 Meeting a Literary Legend: Toni Morrison
09:49 Banning Books and Personal Responsibility
14:48 The Power of Shared Stories in Culture
17:53 Writing THE HOLLYWOOD UNICORN: A Heart-to-Heart
27:09 The Role of Black Women in Today's Historical Context
36:28 Analyzing Political Campaigns: Lessons from Hollywood
40:44 Marketing Strategies: Putting Lipstick on a Pig
47:02 Comparing Political Polling and Market Research
53:45 The 2024 Election: A Battle for Democracy
57:24 The Immigration Debate and American Identity
59:23 The Impact of Social Media and Disinformation
01:13:42 Hollywood's Role in Shaping American Culture
01:23:43 The Importance of Diversity in the Film Industry
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Tuesday Oct 15, 2024
Disinformation About Disasters: What’s Wrong with the World?
Tuesday Oct 15, 2024
Tuesday Oct 15, 2024
If you’re worried about the state of our politics and what’s wrong with the world today, you know what can give you hope? BASEBALL!
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How depraved has our society become when disinformation is being spread about natural disasters like Hurricanes Helene and Milton and the recovery efforts? "What's wrong with the world today?" Is it our leaders? Is it the media? Or is it us?
In this episode, we intertwine the wonderful game of baseball with broader societal themes such as respect, disinformation, and communal responsibility. For those of us lifelong sports fans (#LGM!!!), many of us can recount emotionally charged experiences with rival team supporters; but we can still value the importance of maintaining civility and respect amidst intense fandom. The episode delves into the harmful effects of disinformation on societal unity, particularly during crises like natural disasters and the COVID-19 pandemic. In looking at specific examples such as misleading narratives around FEMA and the influence of political figures like Donald Trump, it underscores the need for personal discernment and the duty of both media and individuals to combat disinformation. So, as THE TIMES of London asked over 100 years ago, “What’s wrong with the world today?” we can talk about leaders (such as they are) like Donald Trump; or we can blame the media. Or we can ponder G.K. Chesterton’s succinct reply: “Dear Sir, I am. Yours, G.K. Chesterton.”
02:03 Baseball and Personal Reflections
05:40 Tribalism and Respect in Sports
07:58 Hurricanes and Disinformation
11:38 Political Division and Media Influence
14:55 Disinformation and Its Harmful Impact
15:48 Fact-Checking Disinformation
17:05 Consequences of Spreading Lies
19:13 Personal Reflections on Media and Truth
22:31 The Role of Individuals in Combatting Disinformation
25:53 Hope and Conversations for Change
Congressman Chuck Edwards (R, N.C.) debunks Hurricane Helene response myths:
https://edwards.house.gov/media/press-releases/debunking-helene-response-myths
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Thursday Oct 10, 2024
Thursday Oct 10, 2024
What does it mean to be a conservative? (And no, Donald Trump is not a conservative.) Can the Republican Party be redeemed? What implications does any of this have on the 2024 election and beyond?
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In this episode, we’re joined by Mona Charon, Policy Editor at The Bulwark and host of the podcasts Just Between Us and Beg to Differ. We explore the state of democracy, the role of media, and the evolving definitions of conservatism. Mona reflects on her experiences living in Israel, the challenges of peace negotiations, and her perspective on the Biden administration's policies. We discuss the extremism in both U.S. political parties, the impact of Trump's leadership, and the Republican Party's future post-Trump. Mona also details her work at The Bulwark and advocates for media integrity and accountability.
02:17 Reflections on Israel and October 7th
03:52 Hope and Challenges for Israel
07:27 The Complexity of Peace Negotiations
12:04 Biden Administration's Stance on Israel
18:05 Trump's Threat to Jews
25:47 Biden's Presidency: Successes and Failures
30:25 Defining Conservatism Today
35:40 The Media's Role in the Information Age
37:47 The Tactic of Flooding the Zone with Sh!t
40:52 The Future of the Republican Party
42:56 Personal Journey: From Conservative Voice to Trump Critic
46:03 Facing Threats and Harassment
47:26 Understanding the Mindset of Threatening Individuals
49:09 Reclaiming Civility and Decency
52:54 The 2024 Election and Political Landscape
https://www.thebulwark.com/s/betweenus
https://www.thebulwark.com/s/begtodiffer
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Monday Oct 07, 2024
You might also like: A Community Fight in Wisconsin, From TO SEE EACH OTHER
Monday Oct 07, 2024
Monday Oct 07, 2024
Sharing an episode of TO SEE EACH OTHER, a show that complicates the narrative about small town Americans in our most misunderstood, and often abandoned, communities. This season, host George Goehl travels to Lincoln County, Wisconsin to follow a small town battle for the last remaining public nursing home in the community. It’s a heart-pounding roller coaster of a fight - in a swing state that could determine the election. Over the course of the show, a universal truth emerges: That in every complicated set of politics, when we refuse to give up on each other, we can build a better future.
You can listen to more episodes of To See Each Other at https://link.chtbl.com/toseeeachother?sid=talkinpolitics

Friday Oct 04, 2024
The Arguments Against Kamala Harris Aren’t Working
Friday Oct 04, 2024
Friday Oct 04, 2024
What are some of the arguments being made against Kamala Harris? Are they working? Specifically, are the attack lines against VP Harris effective in maximizing turnout of “base adjacent" voters or persuading undecided voters?
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In this episode, we explore the effectiveness of arguments against Kamala Harris in the political arena. We discuss the role of different layers making and hearing these arguments, from Trump's base to media narratives, and how these affect undecided or "base adjacent" voters. We highlight multiple lines of attack used against Vice President Harris, such as accusations of her being unintelligent, a flip-flopper, or criticisms of her personal history. We also reckon with their ineffectiveness in persuading critical voters. At the end of the day (or the campaign), what messages sway the actual voters who will decide the election? How do these attacks compare with the substantive policy questions that should be prioritized? The episode also underscores the significance of engagement and turnout in swing states, and the necessity for both parties to appeal to these pivotal voter groups.
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Tuesday Oct 01, 2024
Tuesday Oct 01, 2024
Can there be peace in the Middle East? Gidi Grinstein was “in the room where it happened” negotiating peace among Israelis and Palestinians and has a way forward.
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In this episode, Gidi Grinstein, founder and president of Reut Group and Tikkun Olam Makers, discusses his extensive background in public policy and political affairs in Israel. He covers his experiences with the Birthright Israel Program, peace negotiations with the PLO, and his transformative perspective on Jewish life after living in the United States. Gidi further delves into the concept of Jewish nationhood, his personal journey towards observing Jewish fast days, and reflections on complex negotiations for Israeli-Palestinian peace. The conversation also touches on the rise of antisemitism, external influences on protests, and the future of peace in the region. He shares insights into his work with Reut Group and Tikkun Olam Makers and expresses hope for a better future ahead of the Jewish New Year.
00:00 Introduction to Gidi Grinstein
01:23 Formative Experiences and Changing Perspectives
06:26 Complex Identity of the Jewish People
09:41 Observing Jewish Traditions
21:27 Negotiating Peace: Challenges and Insights
34:10 Netanyahu's Pragmatic History and the Trump Plan
37:43 The Importance of Palestinian Statehood for Israel
42:28 Challenges in Peace Negotiations: Finality of Claims
47:17 The Impact of October 7 and Hamas on Peace Efforts
52:15 Hope for Peace and the Role of International Forces
52:35 Addressing U.S. Domestic Politics and Antisemitism
01:02:43 Reut Group and Tikkun Olam Makers: Innovating for a Better World
01:08:05 Concluding Thoughts and Hopes for the Future
"How Oslo Could Solve Gaza" from Fathom - https://fathomjournal.org/how-oslo-could-solve-gaza/
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Thursday Sep 26, 2024
Mike Madrid gets inside the numbers on what it will take to win this election!
Thursday Sep 26, 2024
Thursday Sep 26, 2024
What do the numbers tell us about the right messaging and the best policies to appeal to the most key voters?
In this episode, veteran political consultant Mike Madrid is back to discuss the evolving political landscape, especially focusing on the decisive role of Latino voters in American democracy. Drawing insights from Mike's book, THE LATINO CENTURY, the discussion highlights key battleground states like Pennsylvania and North Carolina, and the strategic shifts in Democratic messaging under Kamala Harris. Additionally, the conversation covers the unique dynamics of the 2024 election, the comparative strengths of Biden, Harris, and Trump, and the significance of various races such as Will Rollins' campaign in CA-41 as well as other key House races. We also delve into the role of negative partisanship, campaign rally impacts, voter behavior, and the importance of data-driven strategies. As he always does, Mike sheds light on what’s really happening in the election whether we see it as good news or bad - it’s simply the real deal, no “hopium” and definitely no b.s.
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00:42 Introducing Mike Madrid (Again)
01:24 Mike Madrid's Book and Its Impact
05:13 Democratic Party's Shift on Immigration
07:05 Kamala Harris's Conservative Policy Shift
09:22 Latino Voter Dynamics and Political Shifts
19:39 Polling and Campaign Strategies
25:00 North Carolina's Political Landscape
47:19 Political Predictions
47:40 Demographic Shifts and Voter Behavior
48:17 Kamala Harris's Campaign Strategy
51:03 Technical vs. Fundamental Analysis in Elections
53:51 The Role of Polling and Registration Surges
59:47 Key House Races and Candidate Profiles
01:06:30 Biden vs. Harris: Election Dynamics
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https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Latino-Century/Mike-Madrid/9781668015261

Monday Sep 23, 2024
Monday Sep 23, 2024
In this episode, we delve into the topic of mental health, especially during this stressful election season. This is a departure from our usual conversations on politics and religion to emphasize the importance of stepping back from political chaos for mental well-being. One of the tools that are discussed include how meditation has been a transformative practice for many people, alongside other valuable “arrows for our quiver” like writing / prayer, physical exercise, nourishing the mind with great literature (fiction and non-fiction), fostering human connections, getting a healthy amount of rest and establishing helpful boundaries and rules of engagement.
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00:36 Personal Journey and Struggles
03:06 Meditation: A Life-Changing Practice
10:56 The Power of Writing and Prayer
15:52 Exercise: Moving for Mental Health
18:16 Feeding Your Mind with Good Literature
21:43 The Importance of Fellowship
25:15 The Necessity of Rest
29:07 Setting Boundaries and Rules of Engagement
34:45 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
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Thursday Sep 19, 2024
Thursday Sep 19, 2024
“The polls were wrong!” “My guy was down by 6 and he won!” Yeah, yeah, we’ve been hearing these jabs for years. So how can anyone say, “The polls weren’t wrong”? In this episode, we dive into all that and more!
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We’re joined by Carl Allen, a researcher and analyst specializing in sports and political data. We discuss Carl's new book, THE POLLS WEREN’T WRONG, which challenges common misconceptions about political polling. Carl shares his journey into political data analysis, critiques the current methodologies, and emphasizes the importance of transparency and accurate interpretation of poll data. The discussion also highlights the difference between polls and forecasts, the inefficiencies within political betting markets, and the role of human biases in interpreting data. And just to start answering the big question, Carl provides his insights into how the 2024 presidential race is shaping up so far.
https://substack.com/@realcarlallen
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1032483024
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