
Politics and Religion. We’re not supposed to talk about that, right? Wrong! We only say that nowadays because the loudest, most extreme voices have taken over the whole conversation. Well, we‘re taking some of that space back! If you’re dying for some dialogue instead of all the yelling; if you know it’s okay to have differences without having to hate each other; if you believe politics and religion are too important to let ”the screamers” drown out the rest of us and would love some engaging, provocative and fun conversations about this stuff, then ”Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other” is for you!
Episodes

3 days ago
3 days ago
What happened between the election of the first black president in 2008 and the reelection of Donald Trump in 2024 that's led to "the age of certainty and the demise of discourse"? Well, as the brilliant writer Thomas Chatterton Williams recounts in his new book, there was the SUMMER OF OUR DISCONTENT.
In this episode, we get to sit down with Thomas—staff writer at The Atlantic and also author of Losing My Cool and Self-Portrait in Black and White. We explore race, identity, cancel culture, and the importance of preserving liberal values in a polarized society.
What We Discuss:
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How Thomas’s biracial upbringing shapes his worldview
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The story behind the “Letter on Justice and Open Debate” in Harper's
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What happened with the Poetry Foundation and cancel culture
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Why “moral clarity” can be dangerous when journalism becomes activism
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How 2020’s protests shaped national politics and the rise of MAGA
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Thomas shares the story of his parents’ interracial marriage
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[00:07:00] Growing up in a household full of debate and thick skin
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[00:09:00] Drafting and publishing the Harper’s letter and its backlash
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[00:13:00] The Poetry Foundation controversy and institutional capture
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[00:25:00] Why “moral clarity” fails when we don’t agree on morality
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[00:39:00] The link between 2020 protests and January 6th
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[00:45:00] Can Democrats win the center—and what candidates can break through?
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[00:48:00] The toxic effects of social media on how we see each other
Featured Quotes:
- "You can't really have social justice without tolerance for viewpoint diversity." – Thomas Chatterton Williams
- "No one agrees on what’s morally clear. That’s why objectivity still matters." – Thomas Chatterton Williams
- "People don't talk that way in person. Social media strips us of our ability to imagine someone’s humanity." – Corey Nathan
Resources Mentioned:
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The Summer of Our Discontent by Thomas Chatterton Williams: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/704632/summer-of-our-discontent-by-thomas-chatterton-williams/
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Harper’s Letter: https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/
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Thomas’s work at The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/thomas-chatterton-williams/
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Thomas on IG: www.instagram.com/chattertonwilliams
- Thomas on Twitter: x.com/thomaschattwill
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6 days ago
6 days ago
How Did We Get Here? From Outrage to Applauding Atrocity
In this edition, host Corey Nathan offers a timely and deeply personal reflection on a disturbing trend in society: the growing tendency to dehumanize one another. We unpack two tragic incidents that sparked widespread and even celebratory reactions online—mass murders of corporate executives—and explore what these reactions say about our collective soul. Using real-life examples, scriptural references, and philosophical insights, the challenge is to consider how we might reclaim our shared humanity.
What Is Discussed:
- How online culture enables dehumanization and moral numbness
- The emotional and spiritual toll of celebrating harm toward others
- Practical ways to recognize and preserve each other's humanity
- The concept of Imago Dei and how it applies in daily life, even beyond religious contexts
- How to model grace and kindness, even in the face of hostility
Episode Highlights:
- [00:02:00] — Corey introduces the idea of a “vicious cycle” of dehumanization and how it suffocates our soul and hardens our hearts
- [00:04:00] — The story of Wesley LePatner, CEO of Blackstone Real Estate Income Trust and the horrifying online reactions to her murder
- [00:08:00] — The “Free Luigi” movement and how the celebration of violence has become normalized
- [00:13:00] — A personal experience with a vile online comment and the power of grace in response
- [00:18:00] — Explanation of “online disinhibition” and echo chambers as systemic drivers of dehumanization
- [00:24:00] — Introduction of Imago Dei and secular philosophies that affirm basic human dignity
- [00:29:00] — How Corey chose to respond thoughtfully rather than react angrily to an offensive comment
- [00:34:00] — A call to action: practical steps to disrupt the cycle of dehumanization in our personal lives and broader discourse
Resources Mentioned:
- Maya Sulkin’s piece in The Free Press
- PIX11 News coverage of NYC mass shooting of 7/28/25
- Charlie Warzel’s article in The Atlantic on Luigi Mangione
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Thursday Jul 31, 2025
Thursday Jul 31, 2025
What if ICE visits our church? How are we doing after the LA Fires? And how can the Church help to rebuild and heal?
In this heartfelt episode of Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes back the Reverend Dr. Matt Colwell, Senior Pastor of Knox Presbyterian Church in Pasadena, CA. A theologian, author, and community leader, Matt opens up about losing his home in the devastating Eaton Fire, his deeply personal approach to immigrant justice, and the evolving role of the Church in times of social and political crisis. A long-time friend and spiritual guide to Corey, Matt shares how Scripture and lived experience converge to shape his ministry and public witness.
What We Discuss:
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How the Eaton Fire profoundly impacted Pastor Matt and his congregation
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What it looks like for a church to take a public stand on immigration and ICE enforcement
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The intersection of Scripture, politics, and social ethics in Matt’s faith journey
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Why churches are legally preparing for ICE visits—and how they’re doing it
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The essential role of community, memory, and physical space in recovering from trauma
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Strategies for engaging in tough conversations across ideological lines
Episode Highlights:
[00:01:00] Matt opens up about life after losing his home in the Eaton Fire
[00:03:00] How experiences in Guatemala and seminary shaped Matt’s understanding of faith and justice
[00:07:00] Corey and Matt explore deriving political views from scripture and the ethical challenge of self-trust
[00:14:00] Book recommendations: Lincoln’s Greatest Speech, The Dearly Beloved, and more
[00:18:00] The emotional aftermath of losing a home and the power of community response
[00:31:00] What the grieving process looks like when you lose not just a house, but identity-defining memories
[00:42:00] ICE visits to churches in Downey prompt new sanctuary policies at Knox Presbyterian
[00:47:00] How the church legally designated private spaces to protect undocumented individuals
[01:03:00] Corey’s candid reflection on preparing emotionally for hard political and religious conversations
Featured Quotes:
"When a pillar is pulled out from under you, it’s powerful to feel like God is present—and the church community is present." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell
"I don’t trust myself either. That’s why I need to hear different voices and read Scripture in community." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell
"I prepare for difficult conversations by rehearsing a mindset—not what I’ll say, but how I’ll listen." – Corey Nathan
"It’s not just stuff—it’s tied to relationships. Losing those memories feels like losing part of your identity." – Rev. Dr. Matt Colwell
Resources Mentioned:
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Our God is Undocumented by Ched Myers and Matthew Colwell: orbisbooks.com/products/our-god-is-undocumented
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Knox Presbyterian Church, Pasadena: knoxpasadena.org
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Pastor Matt goes viral: www.instagram.com/p/DLP84OWM-4c/
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Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice: www.cluejustice.org
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Tuesday Jul 29, 2025
Tuesday Jul 29, 2025
Ever get stuck in those mental loops after heated conversations around politics and religion? Let's talk about it!
In this episode, host Corey Nathan opens up about the all-too-common habit of rumination—going over those difficult conversations or moments of conflict again and again. Drawing from a powerful personal story, Corey explores what rumination is, how it differs from healthy reflection, and what we can do about it.
What Is Discussed:
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The difference between obsessive rumination and productive reflection
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Practical strategies for self-awareness and emotional regulation
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How mindfulness and meditation can help manage intrusive thoughts
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Why labeling others (or being labeled) damages relationships
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How to shift from argument to connection using curiosity and empathy
Episode Highlights:
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00:00:50 – Introducing the topic of rumination and why it matters
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00:02:00 – A personal story about a triggering interaction
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00:06:00 – “My brain broke”—Corey reflects on emotional fallout
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00:10:00 – Inward vs. outward strategies for interrupting rumination
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00:13:00 – Self-awareness, triggers, and managing the moment
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00:15:00 – Meditation and the practice of “noting”
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00:18:00 – Relationship management: choose connection over being right
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00:27:00 – Labeling vs. seeing someone in their full humanity
Featured Quotes:
- “My brain broke. That’s how I describe it—because in that moment, something really triggered me.”
- “The thought is not my identity. It’s just a thought—and I can allow it to pass.”
- “If someone insists on labeling me, that’s not a relationship I want. Or at least, I’ll love them from far away.”
Resources Mentioned:
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BUDDHA'S BRAIN by Rick Hanson - rickhanson.com/writings/books/buddhas-brain
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Tara Brach’s resources – www.tarabrach.com
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Thursday Jul 24, 2025
Thursday Jul 24, 2025
In today's economic and political climate, how can we all keep our heads while everyone else is losing theirs? Talkin' tariffs, budget deficits, the Fed, interest rates, and all kinds of fun stuff!
In this episode of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes long-time friend and investment advisor Jorge Meza, CEO of Meza Wealth Management. Jorge shares his inspiring journey—from navigating a family medical crisis to building a boutique investment firm grounded in accessibility and service. The two also dive into today’s economic and political climate, and how we can all keep our heads while everyone else is losing theirs.
What We Discuss:
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How Jorge’s personal experiences shaped his professional philosophy
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Why investing is about more than money—it’s about people
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Practical insights into tariffs, inflation, and the future of AI
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How to have tough political conversations with respect and grace
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:10] – Jorge shares his daughter Jessica’s remarkable transplant story
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[00:04:45] – From construction to finance: Jorge’s path to founding Meza Wealth Management
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[00:07:15] – The immigrant journey that shaped Jorge’s worldview
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[00:13:00] – How Jorge coaches clients through political and market volatility
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[00:15:30] – Tariffs, inflation, and AI: What it all means for your money
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[00:38:15] – Why an independent Federal Reserve matters
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[00:41:45] – Jorge’s take on how we can disagree without division
Featured Quotes:
“We’re in the business of changing people’s lives. Someone helped me early on, and I’ve never forgotten that.” – Jorge Meza
“Very few people can outwork me. If you work hard, things can happen.” – Jorge Meza
“People are starving for respectful dialogue. We just don’t hear enough from the folks in the middle.” – Jorge Meza
“You see something to be afraid of—I see opportunity.” – Corey Nathan
Resources Mentioned:
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Meza Wealth Management: https://www.mezawealth.com
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Watch full episodes on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PoliticsAndReligion
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Monday Jul 21, 2025
Monday Jul 21, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan explores how we can navigate difficult conversations around politics and religion with more grace and effectiveness. Drawing on personal experiences, spiritual grounding, and practical techniques, Corey shares what to look out for when a conversation is going sideways and how to communicate better even in the most challenging moments.
What Is Discussed:
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How to recognize when a conversation is escalating
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Common communication traps and how to avoid them
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How to prepare your heart and mind to actively listen
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What it means to “rehearse” understanding instead of comebacks
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Why identifying shared values can change the entire conversation
Episode Highlights:
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[00:00:50] Signs of emotional escalation and how to spot them
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[00:05:00] A simple tool to slow down: breathing
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[00:07:00] The mistake of rehearsing a verbal takedown
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[00:09:30] A better way: Practice being a great listener
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[00:13:00] Why “shoulding” on people makes things worse
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[00:15:00] The dangers of mischaracterizing entire groups
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[00:21:00] Are you really listening—or just waiting to talk?
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[00:24:30] Avoiding ad hominem attacks and gaslighting
Featured Quotes:
“When the emotion is so heightened that I can no longer think… that’s something to recognize before it gets out of hand.”
“Don’t rehearse the perfect burn. Rehearse listening.”
“You can reverse the neurochemical reaction of anger and fear—and induce the feeling of being heard and loved.”
“If your goal is to cause pain in a conversation, this program isn’t for you.”
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Thursday Jul 17, 2025
Thursday Jul 17, 2025
Trump 2.0 - 6 months in. How's it going? (And other light comedy...)
In this milestone 300th episode, Corey is joined by two insightful friends: Lori Adams-Brown, host of A World of Difference podcast, and William Wright, co-host of the Faithful Politics podcast. Together, they reflect on six months of the Trump 2.0 administration, rising Christian nationalism, immigration policy impacts, and the legacy of influential evangelical leaders. It’s a deep, wide-ranging, and thought-provoking roundtable about our politics, our faith, and how we can still find hope and human connection across differences.
What We Discuss:
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The real-life impacts of recent immigration policies
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What’s fueling political tribalism and conspiracy culture
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How trauma can influence dogmatism in both politics and religion
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A candid look at John MacArthur’s controversial legacy
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How we can better communicate across ideological divides
Episode Highlights:
• [00:01:00] Celebrating episode 300 with Lori and Will
• [00:02:00] Lori shares real stories of deportation affecting families in California
• [00:05:00] Corey’s church discusses ICE raid response policy
• [00:08:00] Will details surprising legal shifts and executive orders
• [00:13:00] Backlash over Chip and Joanna Gaines and identity politics
• [00:23:00] How polarization and pain are intertwined
• [00:39:00] Where can we still find hope, even now?
• [00:51:00] Reflecting on John MacArthur’s impact and abuse cover-ups
• [01:03:00] How to talk politics and religion without killing each other
Featured Quotes:
“Dogmatism is often a response to trauma.” — Lori Adams-Brown
“Bad people can sometimes do things that help good people.” — William Wright
“You don’t have a depression issue, you have a sin issue — that’s what they told me. And that was crushing.” — Corey Nathan
“It’s not about what you think, it’s about who you hate. That’s how people are being politically labeled now.” — Corey Nathan
Resources Mentioned:
• Faithful Politics Podcast – faithfulpoliticspodcast.com
• A World of Difference Podcast – www.loriadamsbrown.com/podcast
• Book: White Evangelical Racism by Anthea Butler - uncpress.org/book/9781469681511/white-evangelical-racism-second-edition/
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Lori is
- www.loriadamsbrown.com
- LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/loriadamsbrown
- Instagram - instagram.com/loriadamsbrown
Will is
- youtube.com/c/faithfulpoliticspodcast
- Threads - threads.com/@faithful_politics
- Facebook - facebook.com/FaithfulPoliticsPodcast
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Monday Jul 14, 2025
Monday Jul 14, 2025
In this episode, we welcome Dr. Roger Herbert—retired Navy Captain, former SEAL commander, professor of ethics, and distinguished academic. Dr. Herbert’s career spans from leading undersea special operations to teaching future naval officers at the U.S. Naval Academy. We explore Dr. Herbert's remarkable journey marked by leadership, ethics, and profound moral challenges. Dr. Herbert shares stories of combat, personal transformation, and the vital importance of principled leadership—even under the most extreme conditions.
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CORRECTION: Roger has advised me that he misspoke when he described a SEAL operation in Anbar Province. Operation Redwings, the 2005 SEAL reconnaissance mission that inspired the book/movie "Lone Survivor," took place in Afghanistan's Kunar Province. (Anbar is a province in Iraq.)
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What We Discuss:
* The intense process of becoming and leading Navy SEALs
* How war can spark deep ethical reflection and personal evolution
* What moral leadership looks like in combat zones—and classrooms
* Why teaching ethics to future military leaders is more important than ever
* How pivotal life decisions can stem from unexpected, even humorous, moments
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Featured Quotes:
- “The secret sauce of being a SEAL is learning how far you can really go—and it’s always further than you think.” – Dr. Roger Herbert
- “We push candidates to what they *think* is their limit… and then some crazy few keep going. That’s where we find the SEALs.”
- “Ethics isn’t just theory—it’s what helps you come home with honor.”
- “We don’t swear loyalty to a person. We swear to a document. That’s the power of the U.S. Constitution.”
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Resources Mentioned:
* Dr. Roger Herbert’s Substack - rogerherbert.substack.com
* The Ethics of Special Ops: Raids, Recoveries, Reconnaissance, and Rebels - https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-Special-Ops-Recoveries-Reconnaissance-ebook/dp/B0CLGJK8R6?ref_=ast_author_dp&th=1&psc=1
* Ethics at War: How Should Military Personnel Make Ethical Decisions? - https://www.amazon.com/Ethics-War-Military-Personnel-Decisions-ebook/dp/B0CKFGDXQY?ref_=ast_author_dp&th=1&psc=1
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Thursday Jul 10, 2025
Thursday Jul 10, 2025
In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan shares a personal story that explores a fundamental question many of us face in political and relational discourse: “Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?” Prompted by a real-life interaction following his attendance at a local rally, Corey examines how we navigate our convictions, the costs of being “right,” and the cognitive, identity-based, and psychological roots that underlie our desire to win arguments—especially at the expense of connection.
What Is Discussed:
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The real story behind a tense political exchange among friends.
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The importance of prioritizing relationships over ideological victory.
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Key psychological and sociological reasons why people insist on being right.
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How identity, ego, and group affiliation shape our perceptions in political dialogue.
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Thoughtful strategies to promote civil discourse, even across ideological lines.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:03:00] Corey describes the No Kings Rally in Santa Clarita and his motivation for attending.
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[00:05:00] A group text spirals into conflict after a friend posts a divisive meme about Democrats.
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[00:07:00] Corey challenges the assumptions being made and asserts his conservative identity.
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[00:10:00] The text conversation intensifies—Corey confronts the damaging generalizations.
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[00:13:00] He reflects on the absence of actual conversation and the importance of listening.
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[00:20:00] Corey shares research on cognitive biases like confirmation bias and bandwagon effect.
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[00:24:00] A powerful explanation of identity protective cognition and how it affects discourse.
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[00:29:00] The psychological roots of being “right”: ego, fear, insecurity, and narcissism.
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[00:31:00] A parable of two billy goats illustrates the cost of refusing to give ground.
Featured Quotes:
“Do you want to be right, or do you want the relationship?”
“The endeavor that I care about is people exercising their First Amendment rights.”
“If we were actually talking, you'd know this isn't even in my top 50 concerns.”
“We don’t need to diminish others to hold our convictions.”
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Monday Jul 07, 2025
Monday Jul 07, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back political consultant, author, and Substack contributor Mike Madrid. A renowned expert on Latino voters and co-founder of the Lincoln Project, Mike brings his profound insights on American politics, identity, and democracy. Together, Corey and Mike explore deeply personal stories, historical context, and present-day political dynamics, all while weaving in the emotional fabric that connects generations and communities.
What We Discuss:
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The significance of personal and familial stories in shaping political perspective
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How Latino voters are reshaping American democracy
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The danger of authoritarian tendencies in U.S. governance
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Economic populism across ideological divides
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The importance of understanding and communicating with working-class communities
Episode Highlights:
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[00:04:00] Mike Madrid shares a personal story of grief and connection through a pilgrimage to Madrid, New Mexico
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[00:08:00] Baseball as a bridge between generations and its deeper cultural significance
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[00:14:00] Inhumane immigration enforcement and its implications on American identity
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[00:22:00] A discussion on whether America is at a turning point for its soul and values
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[00:33:00] Vertical balance of power: Newsom vs. federal overreach in L.A. protests
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[00:45:00] Latino voters' top concerns: economy, housing, and healthcare
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[00:53:00] Economic populism through Ruben Gallego and Zoran Mamdani's campaigns
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[01:03:00] How to talk about politics and religion without killin' each other
Featured Quotes:
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"Sometimes the stories we tell ourselves matter more than the facts we can verify." – Mike Madrid
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"This is our American story now. This is who we are... and if we're not speaking out, then we are individually complicit in it." – Mike Madrid
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"These are the moments when character is defined." – Mike Madrid
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"The best way to talk about politics and religion is to not talk about it through the lens of politics and religion." – Mike Madrid
Resources Mentioned:
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Mike Madrid's Substack: The Great Transformation – greattransformation.substack.com
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The Latino Century (book by Mike Madrid) – www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Latino-Century/Mike-Madrid/9781668015278
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Latino Vote Podcast – latinos.vote
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Reflections on Marines in LA by Roger Herbert – rogerherbert.substack.com/p/reflections-on-marines-in-la
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Thursday Jul 03, 2025
Thursday Jul 03, 2025
This was such a refreshing conversation with Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde. We recorded it just after she delivered the homily at the National Cathedral the day after the inauguration. Bishop Budde's candor, winsomeness and wisdom shines through in all circumstances - whether it's before a worldwide audience or upon earnest reflection of the impact of her ministry. And there's something healing in all of this. So it's certainly worth revisiting our discussion going into this national holiday weekend. Enjoy...
In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show.
The conversation dives into Bishop Budde’s faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration.
What We Discuss
- Bishop Budde’s personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church.
- The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today’s polarized climate.
- How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism.
- The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights.
- Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect.
Episode Highlights
[00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde.
[00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences.
[00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her.
[00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition.
[00:26:00] – Bishop Budde’s response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love.
[00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance.
[00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges.
[00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences.
[01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde’s work.
Featured Quotes
"If it’s not about love, it’s not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It’s about choosing to respond with love even when it’s difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
Resources Mentioned
- Bishop Budde’s Book: How We Learn to Be Brave
- Episcopal Diocese of Washington – www.edow.org
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Monday Jun 30, 2025
Monday Jun 30, 2025
In this timely episode of "Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other," host Corey Nathan speaks with Professor Daniel Mach, Director of the ACLU Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief and adjunct professor of law at the George Washington University Law School. They explore the complexities of First Amendment rights, the historical Scopes Trial, and the fine line between religious freedom and government endorsement of religion.
What We Discuss:
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How Daniel Mach’s passion for First Amendment law began.
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The ACLU’s approach to defending speech across ideological lines.
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Key legal principles behind landmark cases like Kennedy v. Bremerton.
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The modern-day impact of church-state separation rulings.
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The importance of defending civil liberties regardless of popularity.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Dan’s origin story, sparked by a high school paper on the Scopes Trial.
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[00:05:00] ACLU’s surprising position in the Boston Christian flag case.
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[00:09:00] The real facts behind Kennedy v. Bremerton School District.
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[00:23:00] Historical insight into the Scopes Trial and why it still matters.
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[00:38:00] Breakdown of the opt-out debate in Mahmoud v. Montgomery County.
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[00:48:00] Can a Catholic public school exist? Oklahoma says maybe.
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[00:56:00] Concerns about threats to the rule of law.
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[01:00:00] How to speak across ideological divides and why it matters.
Featured Quotes:
"Rights for all — the right to speak even hateful things — triggered something in my mind where I thought, yeah, that's the way to go." – Daniel Mach
"If the rules only protect people you like, then those rules are not rules at all." – Daniel Mach
"Part of religious liberty is keeping religion and government separate — not just to protect government, but to protect religion." – Daniel Mach
Resources Mentioned:
ACLU: https://www.aclu.org
Kennedy v. Bremerton: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2021/21-418
Scopes Trial History: https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/scopes-trial
Mahmoud v. Montgomery County: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24-297_4f14.pdf
Oklahoma Catholic Charter School Ruling: https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/05/split-supreme-court-blocks-first-religious-charter-school-in-oklahoma/
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Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
Wednesday Jun 25, 2025
In this episode, we're joined by Mike Nellis, founder of Authentic and executive chairman of QUILLER. Mike shares his journey from early political engagement to founding a values-driven digital agency and a pioneering AI platform. He opens up about overcoming personal mental health challenges and emphasizes the importance of empathy, leadership, and responsive government.
What We Discuss:
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How Mike Nellis turned a toxic workplace experience into a successful values-based company.
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Why mental health and workplace culture are core pillars of Mike’s leadership.
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The strategic role of AI in political campaigns and how it’s changing the game.
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Insights on effective fundraising, the current political climate, and what the Democratic Party needs to do differently.
Episode Highlights:
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01:00 – Mike’s introduction and political fundraising background
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02:00 – Leaving a toxic workplace and founding Authentic
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04:00 – Mike’s personal journey through mental health and weight loss
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07:00 – His daily mental health “toolkit”
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12:00 – From Republican household to Obama rally
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19:00 – Mike’s evolving political values and client strategies
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27:00 – Firsthand experience confronting political abuse of power
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35:00 – Diagnosing what went wrong in the 2024 election
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48:00 – Navigating AI ethics and strategy
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53:00 – Endless Urgency: Mike’s life motto and Substack
Featured Quotes:
“Every day, you should do something for your mind, your body, and your spirit.” – Mike Nellis
“Politics is a game of addition, not subtraction.” – Mike Nellis
“I want a government that shows up when people need it—and then gets out of the way.” – Mike Nellis
Resources Mentioned:
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QUILLER.ai – https://www.quiller.ai
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Authentic – https://authentic.org/
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Endless Urgency Substack – https://endlessurgency.substack.com
- @mikenellis.bsky.social | www.threads.com/@mike_nellis
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Monday Jun 23, 2025
Monday Jun 23, 2025
In this episode, Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor Doug Pagitt, Executive Director of Vote Common Good. Doug shares his remarkable journey from a non-religious upbringing to becoming a prominent voice in progressive evangelicalism. They discuss how his background in sociology and theology shapes his view of faith, culture, and politics, and how those insights drive his current work helping religious voters engage civically with integrity and hope.
What We Discuss:
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How Doug Pagitt came to faith and ministry outside traditional church upbringing
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What the Emergent Church is and why it matters
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How anthropology influences theology
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What motivated Pastor Doug to start Vote Common Good
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How Democrats can meaningfully engage religious voters
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Introduction to Doug’s background and Vote Common Good
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[00:03:00] Doug’s faith story and early questions about Christianity
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[00:08:00] Embracing scripture through open interpretation
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[00:17:00] The Emergent Church explained
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[00:30:00] Why Vote Common Good was founded
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[00:43:00] Surprising insights from their faith voter polling
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[00:54:00] Six words to win back religious voters
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[01:02:00] Where Democrats often miss the mark
Featured Quotes:
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“I didn’t have to unlearn a Sunday school version of Christianity. I got to take Jesus at face value.”
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“We’re not asking candidates to be Christians. We’re asking them to like Christians.”
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“The difference between being required and being invited makes all the difference.”
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“Human beings organize our lives around patterns. The danger is when we mistake those patterns for the divine.”
Resources Mentioned:
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Vote Common Good: https://www.votecommongood.com
- Doug Pagitt’s books: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Doug+Pagitt
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Thursday Jun 19, 2025
Us vs. Them: Practical Ways to Counter the Polarization That's Killing Us
Thursday Jun 19, 2025
Thursday Jun 19, 2025
In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan explores how the "us vs. them" mindset is damaging our democracy and personal relationships. Sharing powerful stories and reflections, Corey examines how this mentality can escalate from figurative harm to literal violence—and what we can do to stop it.
What Is Discussed:
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How to recognize and avoid “us vs. them” thinking
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Why specificity matters more than generalizations
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How to reframe conversations to foster understanding
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When it’s best to disengage from toxic interactions
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] The real-life consequences of political tribalism
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[00:03:00] How a quote from the Declaration of Independence sparked online hostility
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[00:15:00] Why generalizing leads to vilification
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[00:21:00] Reactions to the peaceful “No Kings” rally
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[00:28:00] How to name and address divisive rhetoric
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[00:34:00] When it’s healthier to walk away
Featured Quotes:
- "Think specifically, not generally."
- "Shift our disposition from facing off to side by side."
- "Sometimes, you just gotta know when to walk away."
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Monday Jun 16, 2025
Monday Jun 16, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Liz Joyner, founder and president of The Village Square, a civic organization dedicated to bridging divides and fostering dialogue across political and cultural lines. Liz shares the story behind founding The Village Square, her passion for preserving democratic values, and her experience navigating political polarization with grace, humor, and tenacity. As dear friends and collaborators, Corey and Liz offer listeners a heartfelt and insightful conversation about the importance of disagreement, empathy, and genuine connection.
What You Will Learn:
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How Liz Joyner built The Village Square to combat political divisiveness
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The power of human connection and shared experiences in fostering civic trust
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Key strategies for having meaningful conversations across ideological divides
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Why now is a pivotal moment for preserving democracy and civil discourse
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How personal stories and experiences shape our political views and actions
Episode Highlights:
- [00:01:00] Introduction to Liz Joyner and her work with The Village Square
- [00:06:00] Reflecting on her family’s military background and public service
- [00:13:00] The key question: How can we engage across our differences?
- [00:22:00] The role of The Village Square’s God Squad in promoting interfaith dialogue
- [00:31:00] The psychological roots of tribalism and political polarization
- [00:50:00] The threat to public humanities and the importance of civic institutions
- [01:00:00] Liz’s favorite spot in D.C. and its symbolic value for democracy
Featured Quotes:
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“We just need to do it. Reach out. Make the call. Share a meal. Be human.”
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“When we see others up close, we see their good intentions. That’s where empathy begins.”
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“Disagreement, done well, is the genius behind our democracy.”
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“The genius of our system is that it relies on heterogeneity—on us learning from each other.”
Resources Mentioned:
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The Village Square: villagesquare.us
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The Constitution of Knowledge by Jonathan Rauch: www.brookings.edu/books/the-constitution-of-knowledge
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Roger Herbert's Substack: https://rogerherbert.substack.com
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The National Portrait Gallery: https://npg.si.edu
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Friday Jun 13, 2025
Friday Jun 13, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Kamy Akhavan, Executive Director at the USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future and former CEO of ProCon.org. Kamy shares his extraordinary journey from war-torn Iran to becoming a champion of civil discourse and political bridge-building in the United States.
What We Discuss:
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Kamy’s powerful immigration story and personal connection to today’s immigration challenges
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What's actually happening in Los Angeles vs what many news programs are showing
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How debate and listening helped shape Kamy’s open-minded leadership
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The mission of USC’s Center for the Political Future and its bipartisan impact
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The root causes of polarization and how we can counteract them
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Why respect, listening, and humility are foundational for meaningful dialogue
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Kamy’s homage to Parliament Funkadelic and Sly Stone
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[00:06:00] Living through war in Iran and escaping with his family
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[00:14:00] Adjusting to poverty in Louisiana and finding strength in education
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[00:18:00] Discovering a passion for political discourse through debate
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[00:27:00] Leaving management consulting to lead ProCon.org
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[00:30:00] Kamy's role at USC’s Center for the Political Future
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[00:39:00] Building a culture where tough conversations can happen respectfully
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[00:55:00] A deeper look into today’s immigration debates and polarization
Featured Quotes:
"Every person you meet knows more than you do about something. If you approach with humility, every conversation becomes a chance to learn." — Kamy Akhavan
"If you really want to be a powerful advocate for your cause, the best tool you have isn’t your mouth—it’s your ears." — Kamy Akhavan
"We all inherit democracy. And that inheritance is a gift many have died for." — Kamy Akhavan
Resources Mentioned:
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USC Dornsife Center for the Political Future: https://dornsife-center-for-political-future.usc.edu/
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ProCon.org: https://www.procon.org/
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The Democracy Group: https://www.democracygroup.org/
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Tuesday Jun 10, 2025
Tuesday Jun 10, 2025
In this insightful and often humorous episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes political satirist, author, and podcast host Andrew Heaton for a wide-ranging conversation about his latest book, Tribalism Is Dumb. Heaton, known for his podcast The Political Orphanage, brings his signature blend of wit, intellect, and candor to explore why politics has become so viciously tribal—and how we can fix it. Drawing from personal stories, deep research, and evolutionary psychology, Heaton discusses the roots of human division, the impact of media and technology, and the path to a more thoughtful public discourse.
What We Discuss:
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Why tribalism is hardwired into human nature—and how it gets misapplied in modern politics
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How Heaton’s upbringing influenced his commitment to civility and intellectual rigor
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The role of media, social media, and political leadership in fostering division
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Practical tools for having productive, respectful political conversations
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What we can do—personally and societally—to resist toxic partisanship
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Intro to Andrew Heaton and his new book
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[00:02:30] The story behind the dedication to Heaton’s father
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[00:06:45] Heaton’s early political influences
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[00:10:15] How Heaton preps for his many podcasts
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[00:21:00] The evolutionary roots of tribalism
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[00:34:00] Protestant vs. Catholic soccer rivalry in Scotland
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[00:36:30] What changed in the last few decades
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[00:55:00] Tools for better political conversations
Featured Quotes:
"There are lots of people that we share this country with that are good and intelligent people. The fact that we disagree with them is not a negation of their humanity." – Andrew Heaton
"The need for an enemy precipitates the existence of the enemy." – Andrew Heaton
"Tribalism is not just about community. It’s about the reflexive urge to find a ‘them’ to define the ‘us.’" – Andrew Heaton
"I just try to remember: we’re not arguing about whether you're a good person. I already believe you are." – Andrew Heaton
Resources Mentioned:
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The Political Orphanage podcast: https://mightyheaton.com/the-political-orphanage
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Tribalism Is Dumb by Andrew Heaton: https://mightyheaton.com/books
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Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Bowling-Alone/Robert-D-Putnam/9780743203043
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How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/peter-boghossian/how-to-have-impossible-conversations/9780738285344/
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Saturday Jun 07, 2025
Dialogue Killers Revealed: Beat Ad Hominem & Proxies to Reclaim Civil Political Talk
Saturday Jun 07, 2025
Saturday Jun 07, 2025
In this edition, host Corey Nathan dives into two behaviors that shut down meaningful dialogue before it even starts: ad hominem attacks and treating individuals as proxies for groups. Drawing from real-life interactions and candid personal stories, Corey illustrates why civil discourse matters now more than ever.
What Is Discussed:
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Why personal attacks destroy productive dialogue
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How assuming people represent an entire group harms mutual understanding
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Strategies for better conversations: passive, defensive, and proactive
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Why labels and assumptions often miss the mark
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The power of treating others as individuals with unique stories
Episode Highlights:
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1:00 – Defining the two dialogue killers: ad hominem and proxy labeling
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2:00 – A local mayor faces national-level hostility in small-town politics
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4:00 – A neighborly disagreement about family farms shows how it can be done right
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5:00 – Corey’s impassioned reaction to toxic comments and attacks
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10:00 – When people are reduced to stand-ins for political ideologies
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14:00 – Facebook comments spiral as users resort to vilifying each other
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19:00 – Setting realistic expectations when engaging across divides
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27:00 – “I will not defend positions I don’t hold”—drawing healthy boundaries
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30:00 – Lessons from the fight for marriage equality: changing hearts through human connection
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33:00 – Passive, defensive, and proactive strategies to communicate better
Featured Quotes:
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“People are people—not proxies...”
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“I will not defend positions that I don’t hold.”
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“You’re not talking to ‘them,’ you’re talking to me.”
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“Go talk some politics and religion with gentleness and respect.”
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Monday Jun 02, 2025
Monday Jun 02, 2025
In this inspiring episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mary D. Glasspool, a pioneering leader in the Episcopal Church and the first openly lesbian woman to be consecrated as a bishop in the Anglican Communion. Since 2016, she has served as Assistant Bishop in the Episcopal Diocese of New York. Bishop Mary shares her personal journey of faith, identity, leadership, and inclusion, offering insights into navigating the intersections of religion, politics, and justice.
What We Discuss:
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Bishop Mary’s journey as a trailblazer in the Episcopal Church
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How her faith and identity evolved in tandem
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What the Philadelphia 11 meant to her and the church
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Navigating hard conversations across deep differences
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What gives her hope for the future of the church and the world
Episode Highlights:
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01:00 – Corey introduces Bishop Mary and her groundbreaking role
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06:00 – Growing up in a multigenerational Episcopal family
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17:00 – The impact of the Philadelphia 11 and her call to ministry
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27:00 – Coming out and confronting institutional theology
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34:00 – Stories of ministry, mentorship, and pioneering women
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43:00 – Navigating political division in local churches
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50:00 – Her retirement plans and what’s next
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1:02:00 – On non-binary thinking, listening deeply, and collaboration
Featured Quotes:
“We can do this. It is possible to talk politics and religion without killing each other.”
“The best way to be ecumenical is to be deeply rooted and grounded in your own faith.”
“Diversity is a strength… It can help us grow and become stronger as human beings.”
“We need to allow for silence. We need to listen.”
Resources Mentioned:
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The Philadelphia Eleven Documentary: https://www.philadelphiaelevenfilm.com
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The Episcopal Church: https://www.episcopalchurch.org
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Thursday May 29, 2025
Reasoned Humility: Pastor David Hegg on Theology, Differences, and Engaging Culture
Thursday May 29, 2025
Thursday May 29, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan is joined by Pastor David Hegg, Senior Pastor at Grace Baptist Church in Santa Clarita, CA. With decades of experience, a master’s in theology, and a doctorate in preaching, Pastor Hegg shares his unique journey into ministry, his thoughts on biblical teaching, and how Christians can faithfully navigate today’s cultural and political landscape.
What We Discuss:
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How Pastor Hegg's early struggles shaped his path in ministry
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The importance of preaching Scripture as it was originally written
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A biblical approach to Christian leadership and cultural engagement
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Insights into the role of conscience in political decision-making
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Why “reasoned humility” is essential for healthy public discourse
Episode Highlights:
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00:04:00 – From mowing the church lawn to pastoring a large congregation
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00:10:00 – Disputes over doctrine: seminary conflict and church governance
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00:19:00 – Faith vs. science: Genesis, creationism, and biblical authority
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00:25:00 – Why many pastors feel exhausted, and how to sustain ministry
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00:30:00 – Handling political pressure and cultural division during COVID
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00:36:00 – Engaging LGBTQ+ individuals with truth and grace
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00:43:00 – What it means to “withdraw” from politics without disengaging
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00:54:00 – Preview of Pastor Hegg’s upcoming books and a theological novel
Featured Quotes:
“What God has for us is always best for us.” – Pastor David Hegg
“We must hold our beliefs with reasoned humility.”
“You can’t come to any text without a framework, but you must be willing to reform that framework based on Scripture.”
“We don’t throw darts—we meet people where they are and walk with them.”
Resources Mentioned:
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Grace Baptist Church: gracebaptist.org
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The Obedience Option: www.amazon.com/s?k=The+Obedience+Option+David+Hegg
- Mind & Cosmos by Thomas Nagel: www.goodreads.com/book/show/13690432-mind-cosmos
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Monday May 26, 2025
Monday May 26, 2025
“You’ve got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they’re your friends.”
Julie Mason came up the ranks at regional newspapers before becoming a White House reporter. On her SiriusXM radio show, you can tell how much she loves and champions good reporters and reveres excellent journalism. And that's one of the many reasons we love Julie Mason! So we're re-booting our most recent conversation with Julie from earlier this year...
In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Julie Mason, renowned journalist and host of The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM’s POTUS channel. Julie brings decades of experience in journalism, spanning local, state, and national politics, and shares her sharp insights on the evolving media landscape, political discourse, and the state of journalism today.
What We Discuss:
- The evolving role of journalists in a polarized media environment.
- How to navigate news consumption and discern credible sources.
- Insights into the challenges of covering politicians and divisive topics.
- The growing intersection between social media platforms and journalism.
- Why re-engaging with quality news content is critical to democracy.
- Mike Pence: The King of Hilarity... Wait. WHAT?!?! No, really
Episode Highlights:
- [00:00:00] – Corey welcomes Julie back to the podcast after four years and reflects on her journey in journalism, from print reporting to hosting her SiriusXM show.
- [00:09:00] – Julie explains how she transitioned from print to radio and why she took the leap into the unfamiliar world of broadcasting.
- [00:20:00] – The challenges of modern journalism: Julie addresses disinformation, lies in politics, and why reporters must focus on stories that truly impact people’s lives.
- [00:27:00] – A discussion on how journalism is evolving to meet the needs of a fatigued audience, from long-form storytelling to true crime podcasts.
- [00:40:00] – Julie emphasizes the importance of journalists remaining stoic and professional, especially during major historical events like January 6th.
- [00:47:00] – Corey and Julie explore ways to have constructive conversations with people across ideological divides, drawing inspiration from bipartisan efforts in Congress.
- [00:55:00] – Julie’s call to action: Why supporting quality journalism through subscriptions and active engagement matters more than ever.
Featured Quotes:
- “You’ve got to be willing to kick your sources right in the balls if necessary, even if they’re your friends.”
- “Politician lied is not really the story—focus on what impacts people’s lives.”
- “To have meaningful conversations, you have to put down your weapons and see the humanity in the other person.”
Resources Mentioned:
- The Julie Mason Show on SiriusXM’s POTUS Channel – www.siriusxm.com/channels/potus-politics
- Substack Recommendations:
- Dirty John Podcast – Listen Here
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Thursday May 22, 2025
ICYMI - Wajahat Ali: Navigating Chaos and Divisiveness with Hope and Humanity
Thursday May 22, 2025
Thursday May 22, 2025
A lot's happened already this year. So it's worth re-setting this conversation with friend of the pod, Wajahat Ali, from earlier this year...
When there's such chaos amd divisiveness all around us, what can we do to cultivate a sense of hope and humanity?
In this episode, we welcome back Wajahat Ali, celebrated writer, editor of The Left Hook Substack, co-host of Democracy-ish Podcast, and author. Known for his humor and insight, Waj brings his unique perspective as a father, storyteller, and political commentator to discuss navigating the tumultuous political and social landscape of 2025. Together, Corey and Wajahat dive deep into themes of decency, empathy, and how to cultivate hope amid chaos.
Episode Highlights:
- [00:02:00] Wajahat muses about earning a "Five Timer Club" t-shirt.
- [00:04:00] Discussion on the California wildfires and the politicization of natural disasters.
- [00:06:00] Wajahat analyzes the blame game targeting DEI initiatives in crisis situations.
- [00:09:00] Corey and Wajahat explore the role of empathy and decency in politics.
- [00:11:00] Wajahat reflects on hope during his daughter’s cancer journey and how that translates to political resilience.
- [00:16:00] Star Wars analogy: How everyday people (the "Ewoks") can fight against authoritarianism.
- [00:22:00] A candid discussion on America's historical resistance to progress and how that impacts the current political climate.
- [00:35:00] The importance of rest and joy in sustaining activism and engagement.
- [00:54:00] Wajahat’s advice on engaging with people across ideological divides—when to plant seeds of change and when to walk away.
Featured Quotes:
- "Hope is optimism with action. It's believing in a better story but doing your part to get there." – Wajahat Ali
- "You can't save everyone. The caravan must move forward, but the doors remain open." – Wajahat Ali
- "We could have been so much better, and we chose this." – Wajahat Ali
- "One conversation with one person can create a ripple effect. Even a one-degree shift can matter." – Corey Nathan
How to find Waj:
- The Left Hook | https://thelefthook.substack.com/
- Democracy-ish | https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/democracy-ish/id1473376303
- Bluesky | https://bsky.app/profile/wajali.bsky.social
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Sunday May 18, 2025
Sunday May 18, 2025
In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Alexander Vindman—retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and former Director for European Affairs on the White House National Security Council. Known for his key role in the first Trump impeachment and his deep expertise in Eastern European affairs, Vindman returns to discuss his latest book, The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine. The conversation dives into the geopolitical stakes of the ongoing war in Ukraine, U.S. foreign policy across administrations, and the importance of civic responsibility in the face of authoritarianism.
What We Discuss:
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Why U.S. administrations consistently misunderstood Russia and Ukraine.
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The concept of “Neo-Idealism” and its value in foreign policy.
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How family history and personal experience shaped Vindman’s worldview.
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The political realities facing Ukraine and the U.S. in a post-Trump world.
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The role of values in sustaining democratic institutions.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Introduction to Alexander Vindman and his background.
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[00:04:30] Alex's twin brother Eugene Vindman’s transition to Congress and bipartisan cooperation.
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[00:17:00] Reconnecting with family in Ukraine and the impact of history.
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[00:25:00] The thousand-year struggle for Ukrainian sovereignty.
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[00:38:00] Why equating Russia with Cold War power is misguided.
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[00:44:30] Vindman defines “Neo-Idealism” and its global implications.
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[01:00:00] The danger of Trumpism and dismantling of democratic norms.
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[01:07:00] How we can engage across political and cultural divides.
Featured Quotes:
“Russia, absent Ukraine, ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine, it becomes one.” – Alexander Vindman
“Neo-Idealism is about tethering our interests to our values and committing to them over the long term.” – Alexander Vindman
“We succumbed to misplaced hopes and fears. We thought if we treated Russia as a partner, it would behave like one.” – Alexander Vindman
“You can find common ground by talking about family. That’s where our shared concerns lie.” – Alexander Vindman
Resources Mentioned:
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The Folly of Realism – www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/alexander-vindman/the-folly-of-realism/9781541705043
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Alexander Vindman’s Substack – www.avindman.com
- Alexander Vindman on Bluesky - @avindman.bsky.social
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Thursday May 15, 2025
Thursday May 15, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on a pivotal shift in direction for the podcast. The solo episodes of “Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other” will be moving toward a more practical focus—answering the question of how we engage in tough conversations about politics and religion in more productive, neighborly, human ways. Drawing from years of interviews, personal experiences, and lively social media debates, Corey opens up about the challenges and tools needed to bridge our deepest divides.
What's Discussed:
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Why Corey is focusing more on how we talk about politics and religion, not just what we talk about
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The role of "epistemic bubbles" and "informational universes" in shaping our perspectives
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Tools and strategies for engaging across political and religious differences
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How grace, curiosity, and relationship-building can change the tone of even the toughest conversations
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Real-life examples from Corey’s online and offline experiences—including some Facebook showdowns!
Episode Highlights:
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[00:02:00] Corey announces a new focus on practical tools for civil dialogue
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[00:06:00] The concept of “epistemic ecosystems” and how they isolate us
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[00:10:00] Why you can’t “convert” someone in one conversation—but you can plant seeds
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[00:13:00] Mike Madrid: “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts...”
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[00:17:00] A quote from the Constitution sparks a wild Facebook debate
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[00:24:00] From “literate idiots” to neighbors with nuance—Corey breaks down who shows up online
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[00:32:00] How to actively listen, lead with curiosity, and find the serious point in a noisy thread
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[00:45:00] Tips on when to pick your spot, take it offline, or simply walk away
Featured Quotes:
- “Sometimes you can’t teach someone a new language—but you can give them a few new words.”
- “Give yourself grace. You’re going to mess it up. But keep showing up.”
- “Effective communication across bubbles requires more than simply correcting facts. It demands engaging underlying values and concerns.”
Resources Mentioned:
- Mike Madrid’s Substack - The Great Transformation: greattransformation.substack.com
- Tangle News: www.readtangle.com
- Ground News: ground.news
- Village SquareCast: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/village-squarecast/id1520059234
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Monday May 12, 2025
Monday May 12, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan speaks with Rev. Dr. Serene Jones, President of Union Theological Seminary. As the first woman to lead the historic 180-year-old institution, Dr. Jones brings deep insight to the intersection of theology, justice, and public life. Together, they explore how Christian faith can guide us through trauma, division, and democracy’s challenges, while sharing stories of growing up in faith and creating space for conversations across political and religious divides.
What We Discuss:
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How Serene Jones’ upbringing shaped her theological lens
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What theology has to do with democracy and justice
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Why questions are a sign of faith, not doubt
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The importance of building bridges, even when no one’s building from the other side
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How seminaries are evolving to meet the needs of a changing world
Episode Highlights:
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[00:03:00] A unique faith upbringing in the Disciples of Christ tradition
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[00:07:00] Church as a place of learning about democracy, justice, and real life
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[00:13:00] The message of Micah 4 and how it resonates with global conflict today
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[00:27:00] The role of theology in shaping public ethics and spiritual resilience
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[00:39:00] Navigating campus dialogue during protests and unrest
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[00:44:00] Three calls for progressive communities in red states
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[00:51:00] Addressing collective and generational trauma through faith
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[00:53:00] Asking: What would Jesus do—really?
Featured Quotes:
“Faith that’s not equipped to deal with the big questions of life is not a faith worth its weight.”
“If we are not building bridges, there’s no one there to catch people when they fall.”
“Theology is not just an abstraction. It’s an action. It’s a way of living in the world.”
“The crisis in our nation is a massive spiritual crisis—for all of us.”
Resources Mentioned:
Union Theological Seminary – utsnyc.edu
Call It Grace by Serene Jones – www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/2146640/serene-jones/
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Thursday May 08, 2025
Thursday May 08, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with Lisa Willey Knierim—Mayor of Cranbury Township, NJ, President of 1880 Hospitality, and high school pal. Lisa shares powerful insights into the realities of small-town governance, the impact of state housing mandates, and the ripple effects of national political discourse. From boardrooms to township meetings, she brings candor, civility, and a healthy dose of humor to the conversation.
What We Discuss:
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How national political polarization affects small-town governments.
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What the Mount Laurel Doctrine means for affordable housing in NJ.
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The value of listening and transparency in political leadership.
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How Six Sigma strategies works in business—and public service.
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Real-world consequences of recent U.S. tariff policy from a global trade professional.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:03:00] The structure of Cranbury’s local government and Lisa’s role as mayor
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[00:07:00] Breaking down the affordable housing mandate and land challenges
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[00:14:00] How partisan behavior has filtered into local meetings
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[00:24:00] Six Sigma in practice: business problem-solving that works
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[00:27:00] Why abrupt tariff policy changes hurt American businesses
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[00:34:00] Lisa’s close election win and continued work with her predecessor
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[00:45:00] Remembering the best of our communities post-pandemic
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[00:53:00] Lisa’s campaign to bring back civility in politics
Featured Quotes:
“At the local level, I wish I didn’t even have to declare my party. It feels absolutely irrelevant.” – Lisa Willey Knierim
“You’ve got to create a vanilla ice cream environment—not too spicy. Be compassionate, be practical, be human.”
“National-level problems shouldn’t be light-switch decisions.”
“It’s not that I can’t solve the problem. But I can listen. That’s halfway there.”
Resources Mentioned:
- Six Sigma Black Belt Certification: asq.org/cert/six-sigma-black-belt
- Cranbury Township Info: www.cranburytownship.org/
- Lisa Willey Knierim Campaign Page: www.facebook.com/LisaKnierimTC22
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Monday May 05, 2025
Monday May 05, 2025
In this episode, Corey Nathan sits down with Kate Carney, Deputy Director at More in Common. Kate shares her fascinating journey—from working in Congress to boating 6,000 miles around the U.S.—and how those experiences shape her work today. The conversation centers on More in Common’s new report, The Connection Opportunity, and explores how we can foster meaningful relationships across political, racial, religious, and socioeconomic divides.
What's Discussed:
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Why social connection is critical to healthy democracy.
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Surprising data on Americans’ openness to diverse perspectives.
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How psychological factors like intergroup anxiety impact connection.
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Kate’s transformative journey completing the Great American Loop.
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Real-world solutions for bridging divides in your own community.
Episode Highlights:
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02:00 – Kate’s 6,000-mile boat journey and what it taught her about America.
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10:00 – The Connection Opportunity: How More in Common is reframing social cohesion.
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21:00 – Why politics remains the most difficult line of difference to cross.
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25:00 – The power of community norms and intergroup anxiety.
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32:00 – Revisiting the "Hidden Tribes" report and what’s changed since its release.
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41:00 – The seven levers of change for increasing social connection.
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48:00 – How cities like Kansas City, Houston and Pittsburgh are fostering community dialogue.
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54:00 – Personal agency and why democracy starts with you.
Featured Quotes:
“We are inherently diverse. To build strong communities, we have to be intentional about connecting across our differences.” — Kate Carney
“The more people connect across difference, the more they want to—it’s a cascade.” — Kate Carney
“There’s an overwhelming desire to have these conversations. It’s the fortress of assumptions that gets in our way.” — Corey Nathan
Resources Mentioned:
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More in Common: www.moreincommonus.com
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The Connection Opportunity Report: moreincommonus.com/publication/the-connection-opportunity
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Friday May 02, 2025
Friday May 02, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan reflects on where we stand as a country several months into the current administration. With candor and conviction, Corey explores the themes of democracy, decency, and due process. Drawing from scripture, the Constitution, and commentary by thought leaders like David Brooks and Mike Madrid, this episode delivers a compelling, timely snapshot of America’s civic health—and what’s at stake moving forward.
What's Discussed:
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Why the First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments are more important than ever
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The consequences of immigration policies that bypass due process
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How the economy (including tariffs and inflation) is impacting voters
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What swayed key constituencies in the 2024 election
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What to watch for heading into 2026 and 2028
Episode Highlights:
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[00:02:00] Framing the episode: A “temperature check” on America
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[00:05:00] The First Amendment under threat
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[00:07:00] Due process and the constitutional rights of all persons
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[00:14:00] What really moved voters in 2024 (spoiler: price of eggs + immigration)
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[00:17:00] A powerful quote from David Brooks on civilizational foundations
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[00:22:00] Legal attacks and a defense of constitutional law
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[00:29:00] Polling data showing shifts in public opinion
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[00:34:00] Real-world impact on families, students, and small businesses
Featured Quotes:
- “Nor shall any person be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.”
- “Don’t talk to me about Donald Trump being a brilliant businessman—he’s a brilliant thief.”
- “For me, it’s about democracy and decency. Always has been.”
Resources Mentioned:
- David Brooks: "What’s Happening Is Not Normal" (NYT) – www.nytimes.com/2025/04/17/opinion/trump-harvard-law-firms.html
- Adam Unikowsky on Substack – adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/the-case-for-suing
- Mike Madrid's Substack, The Great Transformation – substack.com/@madridmike
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Monday Apr 28, 2025
Monday Apr 28, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan talks with renowned journalist, scholar, and public intellectual E.J. Dionne Jr. E.J. is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a syndicated columnist for The Washington Post, a professor at Georgetown University, and a prolific author. Together, they discuss democracy, faith, political polarization, and the enduring need for real argument and hope in public life.
What We Discuss:
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How E.J.’s upbringing shaped his approach to political debate and dialogue.
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Why engaging seriously with opposing ideas is crucial to democracy.
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The difference between optimism and hope — and why hope is essential.
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How faith and civil society contribute to repairing societal divisions.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:03:00] E.J. shares how his father encouraged open political debate.
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[00:06:00] Reflections on DEI, the “woke” debates, and critiques of excesses.
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[00:10:00] The Trump administration’s unintended role in uniting pro-democracy groups.
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[00:15:00] Anger and economic grievances in Fall River, Massachusetts.
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[00:24:00] Why hope, not just optimism, is vital for public life.
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[00:36:00] E.J.’s personal faith journey and the importance of humble belief.
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[00:48:00] Reflections on Pope Francis’ legacy and the Catholic Church.
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[01:05:00] What worries E.J. about democracy today — and what gives him hope.
Featured Quotes:
"In real argument, you enter imaginatively into the ideas your opponent holds." — E.J. Dionne
"Hope is the virtue on which faith and love depend." — E.J. Dionne
"You can really disagree with people you love, and you can love people you disagree with." — E.J. Dionne
"We find sanctity even in mundane conversations." — Corey Nathan
Resources Mentioned:
📘 Souled Out: Reclaiming Faith and Politics after the Religious Right - Princeton University Press
📰 E.J. Dionne's column at The Washington Post – www.washingtonpost.com/people/ej-dionne-jr
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Thursday Apr 24, 2025
Thursday Apr 24, 2025
🎙️Award-winning journalist and Atlantic staff writer McKay Coppins joins us to explore the delicate intersections of politics, faith, and journalism. From shadowing Donald Trump to chronicling the political journey of Mitt Romney, McKay shares what it takes to pursue truth in turbulent times.
What We Discuss:
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What it’s like getting rare access to Trump, Romney, and the Murdochs
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How to navigate political rationalizations without losing your soul
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McKay’s writing rituals and creative process
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The powerful role of curiosity in building bridges across divides
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Why faith and civic life matter more than ever
Episode Highlights:
00:02:00 – McKay’s infamous 2014 Trump profile and its surprising legacy
00:10:00 – How luck and sincere curiosity lead to exclusive access
00:16:00 – Late nights, caps lock, and McKay’s writing habits
00:29:00 – The chilling effect of political intimidation on journalism
00:41:00 – Why many GOP leaders stay silent—and what Romney heard behind the scenes
00:50:00 – Do you lose your soul in politics? A deep dive
00:57:00 – The spiritual vacuum in modern America and how faith might fill it
01:02:00 – Why curiosity is the cure for today’s civic divide
Featured Quotes:
"He seemed like he desperately wanted affirmation all the time... and it was like empty calories."
"To be somebody who has faith is to constantly have it tested and to have it evolve."
"We need leaders thinking more about their obituaries than the next news cycle."
"Curiosity is an underrated virtue in politics."
Resources Mentioned:
📘 Romney: A Reckoning – Simon and Schuster
📘 The Wilderness – Hachette Book Group
📰 McKay’s articles at The Atlantic – Visit
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Monday Apr 21, 2025
Monday Apr 21, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan shares a candid reflection about a recent encounter where he was right on the facts and the law—but completely wrong in how he presented them. Yet if we're honest with ourselves about when we make mistakes, it's a good opportunity to learn, reminding us that how we communicate is just as important as what we communicate.
What You’ll Learn:
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Why being right on the law isn’t enough in a conversation
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How righteous anger can derail productive dialogue
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Why due process matters for everyone—especially those who aren't guilty of crimes
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Tools for engaging in hard conversations with empathy and curiosity
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How the Constitution and Judeo-Christian values intersect in public discourse
Episode Highlights:
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[00:02:00] Corey introduces the story and the key lesson he learned
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[00:05:00] Breakdown of the Alien Enemies Act and a real legal case
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[00:06:45] A stranger challenges Corey at a restaurant
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[00:07:30] Corey "goes Jersey" and loses his cool
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[00:13:00] What due process really protects and why it matters
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[00:16:00] How Isaac Saul, David Brooks, and Mónica Guzmán inspired a better way to respond
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[00:18:00] Reading the First and Fifth Amendments to ground the conversation
Featured Quotes:
- "I was completely right on the facts, but I was completely wrong on the delivery." — Corey Nathan
- "Due process is there for the innocent just as much as the guilty—even more so for the innocent." — Corey Nathan
- "Ask at least three questions before making your point." — inspired by Isaac Saul
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Thursday Apr 17, 2025
Thursday Apr 17, 2025
In this episode, we sit down with Isaac Saul, founder of Tangle, a widely respected, nonpartisan political newsletter. Isaac and his team bring a fresh approach to political journalism by curating multiple perspectives—right, left, and independent—on major stories of the day. Corey, a fan and avid reader of Tangle, dives deep into Isaac’s upbringing in Bucks County, PA, how that shaped his civic “multilingualism,” and the genesis of Tangle during a particularly difficult phase of his career. Together, they explore the challenges of journalistic ethics, political polarization, media bias, and the future of trustworthy news.
What We Discuss:
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Why Bucks County, PA, is so friggin' awesome! And why it plays a crucial role in shaping moderate political thinkers.
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How Isaac Saul built Tangle from the ground up as a response to media frustration.
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The journalistic principles and ethical guardrails that guide Isaac’s work.
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How to discern quality journalism in an era dominated by clickbait and misinformation.
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The dangers of polarization and what gives Isaac hope about our democratic future.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Isaac Saul shares the mission behind Tangle and what inspired him to create it.
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[00:05:00] Corey and Isaac explore how growing up in politically diverse Bucks County cultivated empathy and civic fluency.
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[00:10:00] Isaac discusses his unique way of reaching conspiracy-minded friends—by “using their language” and exposing financial incentives in media.
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[00:15:00] Isaac describes his journalistic background and the importance of reporting with integrity and skepticism.
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[00:24:00] Isaac recounts his “f*** this” moment that led to launching Tangle after being rejected from multiple major outlets.
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[00:34:00] Corey explains his methodical approach to reading Tangle and how it helps refine his own viewpoints.
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[00:40:00] Behind the scenes: How Isaac and his team choose stories and fairly represent both sides of complex political issues.
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[00:54:00] Isaac shares his hopes and fears about political division, executive overreach, and the role of media in democracy.
Featured Quotes:
- "The people who are really politically engaged on the right and the left right now are living in just different realities." – Isaac Saul
- "I know what I think. It’s the least interesting thing on the planet. I live with this brain all day. I want to hear what others think." – Isaac Saul
- "You should treat every click like you're handing a news outlet a dollar." – Isaac Saul
- "Centrism is an ideology in and of itself. I’m not trying to land in the middle—I’m just being honest about my real reactions." – Isaac Saul
Resources Mentioned:
- Tangle Newsletter – www.readtangle.com
- Isaac Saul’s TED Talk: “What Media Doesn’t Tell You” – youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=CjdQv94HzT04vknh
- How Media Bias Works (Tangle article) – www.readtangle.com/why-the-media-is-broken/
- Isaac on Twitter: x.com/Ike_Saul
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Monday Apr 14, 2025
Monday Apr 14, 2025
In this deeply moving episode, Corey Nathan welcomes Rabbi Sharon Brous, the senior and founding rabbi of IKAR, a groundbreaking Jewish community based in Los Angeles. Rabbi Brous is also the author of The Amen Effect: Ancient Wisdom to Heal Our Hearts and Mend Our Broken World. Together, they explore ancient traditions, mental health, spiritual leadership, and how to foster deeper, more compassionate human connections even across profound divides.
What We Discuss:
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The ancient ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted and its modern relevance.
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The profound impact of being seen and embraced in moments of vulnerability.
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How leaders carry and process communal pain—and why that matters.
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Practical wisdom on staying curious and compassionate across ideological divides.
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The role of community design in spiritual experiences.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:01:00] Rabbi Brous explains the Mishnah Middot and the ritual of turning toward the brokenhearted.
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[00:08:00] Corey and Rabbi Brous discuss the concept of sin as a burden like mental illness.
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[00:15:00] The transformative power of being truly seen and how crying makes space for new realities.
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[00:20:00] Rabbi Brous reflects on the toll leadership can take and how caregivers must process pain.
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[00:24:00] The design of IKAR’s prayer space and how it fosters visibility and community.
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[00:34:00] Navigating discomfort with changes in religious leadership and traditions.
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[00:42:00] How to stay at the table with those who hurt or anger us—and why it’s critical.
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[00:53:00] A powerful story about transformation through simple presence and blessing.
Featured Quotes:
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"Sometimes you don’t even want to get out of bed. Yet, sacred tradition compels us to show our brokenness—and trust that we will be held with love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous
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"If you don’t metabolize pain, it will metastasize inside of you." — Rabbi Sharon Brous
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"We can create new neural and spiritual pathways—by allowing ourselves to be seen and to receive love." — Rabbi Sharon Brous
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"It takes courage to be curious about someone who hurt you, but that’s the only way to heal." — Rabbi Sharon Brous
Resources Mentioned:
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The Amen Effect by Rabbi Sharon Brous: https://ikar.org/the-amen-effect/the-big-idea/
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IKAR Jewish Community: https://www.ikar.org/
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How to Know a Person by David Brooks: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/652822/how-to-know-a-person-by-david-brooks/
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Fierce Love by Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis: https://jacquijlewis.com/fierce-love/
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I Never Thought of It That Way by Mónica Guzmán: https://www.moniguzman.com/book
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Friday Apr 11, 2025
Friday Apr 11, 2025
In this heartfelt and wide-ranging episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with a very special guest — his own son, Emerson Riley Nathan. Together, they dive into Gen Z’s unique perspective on faith, politics, and culture. As a young adult navigating the complexities of belief, identity, and creativity, Emerson offers refreshing candor about his spiritual journey, social views, and passion for music. This conversation is an inspiring look at how different generations can engage in meaningful, respectful dialogue.
What You Will Learn:
- Insights into Gen Z's evolving relationship with faith and spirituality
- How Emerson balances skepticism and open-mindedness about religion
- The impact of politics and social media on young people's worldview
- How music and community-building are vital for mental health and connection
- The dynamic of a father and son having open, vulnerable discussions about big life questions
Episode Highlights:
- [00:01:00] – Emerson's "graveyard shift" lifestyle and its impact on his creativity
- [00:03:00] – Emerson shares his journey growing up between Christianity and Judaism
- [00:07:00] – How the 2012 election and political polarization shaped Emerson’s views
- [00:11:00] – Moving away from organized religion and questioning traditional beliefs
- [00:20:00] – Emerson's current agnostic beliefs and embracing uncertainty about the afterlife
- [00:27:00] – The healing power of kindness and defining what it means to be good
- [00:32:00] – Emerson’s passion for dubstep, rave culture, and community through music
- [00:45:00] – Corey and Emerson discuss responsible adulthood, fatherhood, and finding purpose
- [00:59:00] – How politics today have created both division and a sense of helplessness
Resources Mentioned:
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Monday Apr 07, 2025
Monday Apr 07, 2025
In this episode, we welcome back political journalist and author Will Saletan. Will, formerly of Slate and now a writer for The Bulwark, is known for his sharp insights on American democracy, political corruption, and authoritarianism. Will reflects on the pivotal events leading up to and following the 2024 election, including Joe Biden’s withdrawal, Kamala Harris’s campaign, and Donald Trump's return to power. This thought-provoking conversation dives into the state of democracy, the rise of authoritarianism, and how ordinary Americans are responding.
What You Will Learn
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How Will Saletan processed the chaotic political landscape leading up to the 2024 election.
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Why many Americans seem indifferent to threats against constitutional rights.
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Will’s analysis of Trump’s authoritarian tendencies and the implications for democracy.
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The emerging role of European allies as America’s commitment to NATO and democracy weakens.
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Practical strategies for handling misinformation and toxic discourse on social media.
Episode Highlights
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[00:01:00] Introduction to Will Saletan and a reflection on major events since their last conversation.
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[00:03:00] Will discusses his surprise at Biden’s physical and verbal deterioration during the 2024 campaign.
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[00:07:00] The challenges Kamala Harris faced stepping into the race and why the "change election" dynamic mattered.
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[00:11:00] Corey and Will examine why many Americans rationalized or minimized January 6th.
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[00:23:00] Will explains how fear and profit motive lead companies and law firms to capitulate to authoritarian pressures.
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[00:29:00] How self-censorship and fear of government retribution are stifling free speech.
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[00:54:00] Will shares the "general idea" he’s concluded about the Trump administration: incompetence and stupidity at historic levels.
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[01:03:00] Hope on the horizon: how European nations are stepping up to defend democratic values.
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[01:06:00] Final reflections on the resilience of democracy beyond America’s current political struggles.
Featured Quotes
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Will Saletan: "What clicks for me is very simple: they’re idiots. They're really stupid, and they think they're smart."
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Will Saletan: "The danger isn’t just the lies themselves—it's the machinery of intimidation that stops people from even trying to tell the truth."
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Corey Nathan: "It's encouraging when you realize people are so much more than the hat they might wear."
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Will Saletan: "Even though America has faltered, there’s still goodness in the world—and it’s stepping up."
Resources Mentioned
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Will's book: The Corruption of Lindsey Graham: A Case Study in The Rise of Authoritarianism
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Will on Bluesky - @saletan.bsky.social
(Note: If Will referenced any other external resources or books you want linked specifically, just let me know!)
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Friday Apr 04, 2025
Friday Apr 04, 2025
In this solo episode, host Corey Nathan takes a deep dive into one of the foundational guidelines we've used in curating conversations both in person and online: handling misinformation. Corey reflects on his experiences moderating political and religious discussions, the evolution of social media moderation, and the fine balance between protecting free speech and maintaining civil discourse. We invite listeners into an honest exploration of free expression, civic engagement, and fostering better conversations, even with those we deeply disagree with.
What We Discuss:
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Why it could be worth rethinking the rule to report and remove proven falsehoods from these forums.
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The importance of understanding the First Amendment and time, place, and manner restrictions on free speech.
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How maintaining civil discourse matters more than ever, even with the spread of misinformation.
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Reflections on the lessons learned from controversial public conversations, like Gavin Newsom’s podcast guests and protests on college campuses.
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How personal experiences during the pandemic and political unrest shaped Corey's approach to moderating tough conversations.
Episode Highlights:
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[00:03:00] Corey’s initial set of rules for moderating conversations on social media.
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[00:08:00] Why platforms like Meta and Twitter are no longer actively flagging misinformation.
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[00:10:00] Revisiting the meaning of the First Amendment and its application to private forums.
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[00:18:00] Discussing time, place, and manner restrictions in the context of campus protests and public demonstrations.
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[00:23:00] Reflecting on the events of January 6th and the perpetuation of election fraud narratives.
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[00:36:00] Learning from Gavin Newsom’s engagement with controversial figures like Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk.
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[00:43:00] Why civil engagement—even with those we strongly disagree with—might be more powerful than silencing falsehoods.
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[00:52:00] Corey’s updated stance: allowing proven falsehoods to remain visible for educational and relational purposes.
Featured Quotes:
"Congress shall make no law... but that doesn’t mean I, a private individual, can’t curate conversations in my own forums."
"When we disagree is when it’s most important to protect free speech."
"Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Let the worst ideas stand up to scrutiny."
"Staying in relationship with those we disagree with gives us a better chance to understand and grow."
Resources Mentioned:
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Wednesday Apr 02, 2025
Wednesday Apr 02, 2025
This conversation with David Brooks was a real highlight. We originally recorded our talk just after his most recent book HOW TO KNOW A PERSON was released. Enjoy.
You might recognize David Brooks from his columns in The New York Times or his essays in The Atlantic. Perhaps you’ve seen him on PBS NewsHour or Meet the Press. He’s also a prolific author. In fact, his 2019 book The Second Mountain was a major inspiration for this program. We discuss that as well as David’s new book, How to Know a Person: The Art of Seeing Others Deeply and Being Deeply Seen (Penguin Random House).
Our conversation with "Brooksie" went in a number of surprising directions:
- Sociological observations (and confessions) of New York Mets fans;
- The way lifelong friends enrich our lives;
- Depression - fair warning that this section gets pretty gritty and candid;
- How, as observant Jews, we both discovered Christianity later in life;
- As Jews who are Christian, whether we have any ambivalence;
- American Evangelicalism - talk about ambivalence!
- David's writing process and the motivation of deadlines;
- and much, much more!
Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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Sunday Mar 30, 2025
Sunday Mar 30, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan welcomes back Monica Guzmán, Senior Fellow for Public Practice at Braver Angels, host of A Braver Way podcast, CEO of Reclaim Curiosity, and author of I Never Thought of It That Way: How to Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times. Monica’s mission is to help bridge America’s political divides through fearless curiosity. With deep reflections on the 2024 election, evolving friendships across ideological lines, and her renewed commitment to bridge building, Monica shares how we can stay grounded and connected—especially when it feels impossible.
What We Discuss:
- How Moni processes political polarization and stays grounded—even when the world feels divided
- Practical strategies for engaging with people across ideological lines without compromising your values
- Why shared outrage across political lines can be a gateway to unity
- The role of empathy, humility, and curiosity in depolarizing conversations
- How journalists and moderators can better navigate falsehoods without censoring legitimate concerns
Episode Highlights:
- [00:03:00] – Mónica explains how her emotional radar helps her know when to seek out conversations with people who see politics differently.
- [00:08:00] – Unexpected agreement: conservatives and liberals are both frustrated with Congressional dysfunction and executive overreach.
- [00:14:00] – Moni shares how talking with people who had different experiences during COVID reshaped her understanding and empathy.
- [00:21:00] – Corey and Mónica discuss boundaries in bridge building—when is it time to walk away from a relationship?
- [00:29:00] – Moderating contentious conversations: “police the structure, not the content.”
- [00:36:00] – The relationship between activism and dialogue—and why one without the other can be reckless or ineffective.
- [00:46:00] – Tips for recognizing quality journalism and avoiding emotionally manipulative content.
- [00:56:00] – Mónica’s closing advice: engagement is not endorsement. Curiosity and conversation don’t mean you’re compromising your values.
Featured Quotes:
“I’ve been persuaded over and over again that positions against mine are not ludicrous.” – Mónica Guzmán
“Engagement is not endorsement. Having a conversation doesn’t mean you’re capitulating.” – Mónica Guzmán
“Find your edge—and push it. That’s all you need to do to build a bridge.” – Mónica Guzmán
“I don't want a decision or a position to get in the way of our relationship. I want to understand it better.” – Corey Nathan
Resources Mentioned:
- I Never Thought of It That Way by Monica Guzmán - moniguzman.com/book
- Braver Angels - braverangels.org
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Saturday Mar 29, 2025
ICYMI: 7 Tools for Engaging With "Them"
Saturday Mar 29, 2025
Saturday Mar 29, 2025
Can we bridge the partisan divide and have constructive dialogue about politics and religion with "them" - people who have different beliefs about democracy, politics and religion? Are we able to simply have civil, civic conversations?
(We're grateful to have a number of new listeners. So we thought it'd be good to revisit this episode that was first aired just after the inauguration.)
In this edition, host Corey Nathan explores how we can have meaningful, respectful, and productive conversations with those who think differently from us—politically, religiously, and ideologically. After four years of hosting the show and speaking with a wide array of guests, Corey shares his own insights, offering seven practical tools (plus a bonus tip) for engaging with “one of them” in a way that fosters connection rather than division.
What Is Discussed
- How to give yourself and others grace in difficult conversations
- The importance of setting proper expectations when discussing sensitive topics
- Why asking the right questions is more powerful than having the perfect comeback
- How storytelling can humanize those with whom we disagree
- The value of being open to the phrase "I never thought of it that way"
- How to recognize when it’s time to step away from a conversation or to love someone "from a safe distance"
- Resources and organizations that can help you navigate difficult discussions
Episode Highlights
⏳ [00:02:00] – Reviews from listeners: the good, the bad, and the constructive
⏳ [00:05:00] – The purpose of this episode: sharing tools for engaging with "one of them"
⏳ [00:06:00] – Tool #1: Grace – Accepting that we will all make mistakes in these conversations
⏳ [00:09:00] – Tool #2: Proper Expectations – Why we shouldn't expect to change someone's mind 180 degrees
⏳ [00:12:00] – Tool #3: Asking Questions – Learning from Jesus' approach of responding with questions
⏳ [00:20:00] – Tool #4: Storytelling – The power of narrative in understanding each other as human beings
⏳ [00:25:00] – Tool #5: Being Open to "I Never Thought of It That Way" Moments
⏳ [00:32:00] – Tool #6: Recognizing Your Line – Knowing when to step away from an unhealthy dynamic
⏳ [00:35:00] – Tool #7: Equipping Yourself – Books, organizations, and resources for learning how to engage better
⏳ [00:38:00] – Bonus Tip: Taking Care of Yourself – Mental, emotional, and physical well-being in this work
Featured Quotes
📢 “Give yourself grace. You’re not going to get it right every time.”
📢 “If we ask the right question, it allows that person, instead of being in a posture of combat, to tell their story.”
📢 “Trying to inform, like trying to win, can get in the way of trying to listen.” – Monica Guzmán (as quoted in the episode)
📢 “People are mysteries, not puzzles.” – Monica Guzmán
Resources Mentioned
📖 Books:
- I Never Thought of It That Way – by Mónica Guzmán
- How to Know a Person – by David Brooks
🌍 Organizations:
- The Village Square – Encouraging healthy civic discourse
- Braver Angels – Bridging political divides through dialogue
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Thursday Mar 27, 2025
Thursday Mar 27, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan reconnects with his longtime friend Gary Keifer, an expat currently living in Peru. Gary brings a refreshingly honest and “untethered” perspective to U.S. politics, unfiltered by party loyalty or institutional affiliation. With a background in comedy, improv, and theater, Gary offers thoughtful insights rooted in personal experience and global observations. The conversation spans topics from immigration and working-class politics to why Gary abstained from discussing American politics for years—until now. Together, Corey and Gary exemplify what it means to engage in civil discourse across ideological lines.
What We Discuss:
- Why Gary calls himself an "untethered expat" and what that means for his political views.
- How the Clinton-era Democratic strategy toward the working class contributed to the rise of Trump.
- Why immigration is the central issue Gary believes needs urgent resolution—and how both parties have failed on it.
- The limitations of elite political commentary and the value of everyday perspectives.
- Why Trump’s populism appeals to working-class voters despite his billionaire status.
- The potential dangers of overreaching political mandates and ignoring opposing voices.
Episode Highlights:
- [00:02:00] – Corey introduces Gary, a longtime friend with a unique expat perspective on U.S. politics.
- [00:04:30] – Gary explains his belief in choosing “common people” over public figures for meaningful conversations.
- [00:08:00] – Why Gary broke his two-year vow of not discussing U.S. politics.
- [00:10:30] – How Bill Clinton’s shift away from labor shaped modern political realignment.
- [00:16:00] – A comedic (and thought-provoking) take on Trump’s origin story and Steve Bannon’s influence.
- [00:30:00] – Gary criticizes both parties for exploiting immigration and creating a caste system.
- [00:34:00] – Corey and Gary analyze Biden’s early decisions and whether reversing Trump-era immigration policies was a political mistake.
- [00:45:00] – The bipartisan immigration deal Trump blocked—and what it reveals about political strategy.
- [01:00:00] – Gary pleads: “Just give Trump the win on immigration so we can move on.”
Featured Quotes:
“Fascism doesn't just appear out of nowhere. It fills a void left by something else.” – Gary Keifer
“You can’t skip Chapter One of fascism—how we got here matters.” – Gary Keifer
“Compromise is the substrate of democracy.” – Corey Nathan
“At the end of the day, we're just regular guys trying to have conversations most people are avoiding.” – Corey Nathan
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Sunday Mar 23, 2025
Sunday Mar 23, 2025
In this conversation, host Corey Nathan welcomes back Peter Wehner, contributing writer at The Atlantic and The New York Times, senior fellow at the Trinity Forum, and author of multiple books including The Death of Politics and City of Man. A former speechwriter for President George W. Bush, Pete brings a unique perspective shaped by his deep political experience, Christian faith, and unwavering moral compass. Together, Corey and Pete engage in a wide-ranging conversation on the 2024 election, the moral health of our nation, the role of the church, and the constitutional implications of a second Trump presidency.
What We Discuss:
- How Pete Wehner processed the pivotal moments of the 2024 election, including Biden’s withdrawal and Kamala Harris’s campaign
- Why Donald Trump’s reelection reveals unsettling truths about American society and the church
- How constitutional crises might unfold under Trump’s second term
- Why thinkers like Vaclav Havel, Solzhenitsyn, and Tocqueville are essential guides in this political moment
- How to have more effective and empathetic conversations across political and religious divides
Episode Highlights:
- [00:01:00] – Introduction to Pete Wehner’s background and career
- [00:02:00] – Pete reflects on Biden’s debate performance and why he felt Biden should have withdrawn sooner
- [00:05:00] – Analysis of Kamala Harris’s campaign, debate performance, and what ultimately cost her the election
- [00:09:00] – The moral reckoning: what Trump’s reelection says about American voters and the church
- [00:14:00] – Pete dissects why evangelicals have remained loyal to Trump and how rationalizations took hold
- [00:27:00] – A 30-page email exchange: Pete’s attempt to reason with a high-profile Trump supporter and what it revealed
- [00:34:00] – Trump’s “appetite for revenge”: Pete outlines troubling actions already taken in just 60 days of Trump’s second term
- [00:41:00] – Defining a constitutional crisis and what happens when a president defies court rulings
- [00:46:00] – Finding hope and moral clarity through leaders like Havel, Solzhenitsyn, and Tocqueville
- [00:50:00] – The TP&R question: Pete's insights on how to build better conversations across our differences
Featured Quotes:
“Donald Trump is president because of the white evangelical vote. He touched something deep in the hearts of many Christians—and that should trouble us.” – Peter Wehner
“Hope is not the conviction that something will turn out well; it’s the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out.” – Vaclav Havel (quoted by Pete)
“We're moving toward a constitutional crisis... If Trump defies a court order, we may find out how many divisions Chief Justice John Roberts really has.” – Peter Wehner
“We have to prioritize human relationships. The ripple effects for the country can be healthy.” – Peter Wehner
Resources Mentioned:
- Peter Wehner’s articles in The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/peter-wehner/
- Peter Wehner’s columns in The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/column/peter-wehner
- “The Power of the Powerless” by Vaclav Havel: https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/resource/the-power-of-the-powerless/
- The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: https://www.amazon.com/Gulag-Archipelago-1918-1956-Experiment-Investigation/dp/0061253804
- Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/815/815-h/815-h.htm
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Thursday Mar 20, 2025
Thursday Mar 20, 2025
In this episode, we explore some essential tools for navigating difficult conversations in today’s polarized world. After all, we are part of The Democracy Group! And our goal with TDG and this program is to foster respectful, insightful discussions on politics, religion, and other sensitive topics—without resorting to hostility.
In this solo episode, Corey shares practical strategies for setting boundaries, "clearing the brush" (i.e. assumptions), and focusing on meaningful conversations rather than debates.
📌 What We Discuss:
✅ Why having clear boundaries is crucial for productive dialogue
✅ How to recognize and avoid being drawn into unproductive interrogations
✅ The importance of "clearing the brush" (i.e. assumptions) and engaging in genuine conversations
✅ Why listening and storytelling are more powerful than debating facts
✅ How building relationships—not just “winning” arguments—creates lasting change
⏳ Episode Highlights:
🕒 [00:00:00] – Welcome & Calls to Action: Corey shares updates on YouTube, podcast subscriptions, and Patreon.
🕒 [00:06:00] – The Big Question: How do we engage in tough conversations without falling into arguments?
🕒 [00:07:00] – Setting Boundaries: Recognizing when a conversation is an interrogation vs. a genuine exchange.
🕒 [00:10:00] – Admitting Limitations: The power of saying, "I’m not an expert."
🕒 [00:14:00] – No Need to Defend What You Don’t Believe: Why you don’t have to argue every point.
🕒 [00:21:00] – Clearing the Brush: Breaking down stereotypes and assumptions before real discussions can begin.
🕒 [00:26:00] – Seeking Conversations, Not Contests: The difference between dialogue and debate.
🕒 [00:32:00] – The Daryl Davis Approach: How listening has led KKK members to renounce their beliefs.
🕒 [00:35:00] – Final Thoughts: Tools for better discussions and how to support the podcast.
💬 Featured Quotes:
🗣️ “There is no need to submit to an interrogation. If you want to have a conversation, let’s have a conversation.” – Corey Nathan
🗣️ “I don’t have to defend a position that I don’t hold.” – Corey Nathan
🗣️ “The road to solving a lot of what ails us is not in winning debates—it’s in having healthier conversations.” – Corey Nathan
🗣️ “Conversations lead to relationships, and relationships lead to epiphanies.” – Corey Nathan
📚 Resources Mentioned:
🔗 Daryl Davis – Watch his TED Talk
🔗 Braver Angels – Building Bridges Across Political Divides
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🔥 Final Thought:
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Sunday Mar 16, 2025
Sunday Mar 16, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan sits down with Charlie Sykes, a prominent conservative commentator, former talk radio host, and founder of The Bulwark, who's currently writing and podcasting on his excellent Substack To the Contrary. Known for his sharp political insights and willingness to challenge the current trajectory of the Republican Party, Charlie discusses the erosion of democratic norms, the transformation of conservatism, and what the future holds for both parties.
📌 What We Discuss
- How the Republican Party shifted from traditional conservatism to a Trump-dominated movement.
- Why democracy faces real threats in the U.S. and globally.
- The importance of character in political leadership and why many conservatives abandoned this principle.
- Whether a pro-democracy coalition can hold back extremism in both parties.
- Charlie's thoughts on how we can have better political conversations without dehumanizing each other.
⏳ Episode Highlights
🔹 [00:01:00] Charlie’s Journey: From influential conservative talk radio host to political outcast in the Trump era.
🔹 [00:05:00] The Evolution of Trumpism: Why Trump 2.0 is even more dangerous than his first presidency.
🔹 [00:12:00] Engaging With Trump Supporters: Is it possible to change minds, or should we focus on mobilizing pro-democracy voters?
🔹 [00:22:00] The Republican Party’s Transformation: How the far-right fringe became the mainstream.
🔹 [00:35:00] Can Democrats Avoid the Same Mistakes? Learning from the GOP's takeover by extremists.
🔹 [00:47:00] America’s Role in the World: Why the U.S. is no longer seen as the leader of the free world.
🔹 [01:02:00] Building Bridges Across Differences: The importance of assuming goodwill and finding shared values.
💬 Featured Quotes
"I’d rather be right than Marco Rubio right now." – Charlie Sykes
"The Republican Party had multiple off-ramps to reject Trumpism, and they took none of them." – Charlie Sykes
"We are living through history, and we don’t have the luxury of indifference." – Charlie Sykes
"The challenge isn’t just about talking politics—it’s about figuring out how to get through this without killing each other." – Corey Nathan
📚 Resources Mentioned
- Charlie Sykes’ Substack Newsletter: To the Contrary
- Charlie’s 2018 book: How the Right Lost Its Mind
- The Identity Trap by Yascha Mounk
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Thursday Mar 13, 2025
Grave Concerns and Glimmers of Hope: Navigating the State of US Politics
Thursday Mar 13, 2025
Thursday Mar 13, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan shares his candid thoughts on hope, concerns about the state of democracy, and the importance of engaging in meaningful conversations. Inspired by recent discussions with David French and Charlie Sykes, Corey explores whether he remains hopeful about the future—both at the national level and in his local community.
What You Will Learn
- The state of American democracy and the balance of power
- How the First Amendment is being threatened
- Why the judicial branch has been a critical check on executive overreach
- The role of civil discourse in bridging ideological divides
- How personal relationships offer reasons for hope
Episode Highlights
[00:00:00] – Introduction: Exploring the question of hope in today’s political climate
[00:01:30] – Why Corey is concerned about the balance of power in government
[00:05:00] – The judicial branch as a key safeguard against executive overreach
[00:07:30] – Threats to First Amendment rights, including freedom of speech and the press
[00:12:00] – The rise of online hostility and how it impacts public discourse
[00:18:00] – Finding hope through local engagement and personal relationships
[00:22:00] – The power of human connection in bridging political divides
Featured Quotes
"I have concerns about the balance of power and our First Amendment rights—but that doesn't mean I’m without hope."
"When we engage with each other at the local level, it becomes about relationships instead of transactions."
"If we really want to change things, we have to start by recognizing each other's humanity."
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Sunday Mar 09, 2025
Sunday Mar 09, 2025
In this episode, we welcome back David French, columnist for The New York Times, former constitutional attorney, and author of Divided We Fall. We discuss the current state of American democracy, the challenges of political division, and how we can engage in civil discourse despite deep ideological differences. David also shares a personal update on his family and reflects on the profound trials and growth that come with adversity.
📌 What We Discuss:
✔️ How David and his family navigated the challenges of a serious health crisis.
✔️ The rise of political polarization and the factors driving it.
✔️ Why distinguishing between “unwise, unethical, and unlawful” is crucial in analyzing political actions.
✔️ How consuming different perspectives (even opposing ones) helps in understanding political dynamics.
✔️ The role of Christian values in politics and how they are being redefined.
⏳ Episode Highlights
📍 [00:01:00] – David French’s background and his journey from litigation to journalism.
📍 [00:02:30] – Personal update: David shares his wife Nancy’s battle with cancer and their journey as a family.
📍 [00:06:00] – How to navigate personal trials while maintaining faith and resilience.
📍 [00:10:00] – The danger of political paranoia and the pitfalls of extreme polarization.
📍 [00:18:00] – The "friend-enemy" paradigm in American politics and its influence in Christian fundamentalism.
📍 [00:24:00] – Revisiting Divided We Fall: How America’s divisions have devolved since 2020.
📍 [00:40:00] – The categories and differences of unwise, unethical, and unlawful political actions.
📍 [00:55:00] – The balance between justice, kindness, and humility in political engagement.
📍 [01:00:00] – The After Party initiative: A Christian approach to politics focused on values rather than policy.
💬 Featured Quotes
🔹 "You don't know who you truly are until your values are tested." – David French
🔹 "If we focus on the relational, we can have better conversations even across deep differences." – Corey Nathan
🔹 "Justice, kindness, and humility—if you're missing one, you're doing it wrong." – David French
🔹 "The United States has a history of shifting without repenting. We just move on." – David French
📚 Resources Mentioned
- David French’s Writing: New York Times
- David’s Book: Divided We Fall
- The After Party Initiative – More Info
- Advisory Opinions Podcast (with Sarah Isgur & David French) – Listen Here
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Friday Mar 07, 2025
Friday Mar 07, 2025
In this episode we dive into the complex issue of Ukraine, America's involvement, and the broader implications for democracy and global alliances. This episode is an exploration of how we can develop reasoned positions on global conflicts, engage in informed discussions, and recognize the limitations of our own expertise.
What We Discuss
- How to approach discussions about Ukraine with a reasoned, principled perspective.
- The importance of distinguishing between facts and opinions in political discourse.
- How to recognize and rely on credible experts rather than self-appointed commentators.
- Strategies for engaging in meaningful conversations with those who hold different views.
- Why shared values and historical context matter in forming ethical positions.
Episode Highlights
[00:01:00] – Corey introduces the topic, emphasizing the importance of forming reasoned opinions based on principles rather than political affiliations.
[00:04:00] – The rise of divisive, “owning the libs” mentalities in political discourse and the shift away from virtues like decency and integrity.
[00:06:00] – Discussion of a powerful article by Dr. Russell Moore on the moral costs of ignoring Ukraine’s plight and the dangers of moral relativism in international affairs.
[00:09:00] – The importance of verifying facts through reputable sources like the Council on Foreign Relations, rather than relying on partisan opinionators.
[00:13:00] – Why experts like Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Anne Applebaum and military expert Alexander Vindman are critical voices in understanding the Ukraine conflict.
[00:18:00] – The dangers of allowing misinformation to shape public opinion and the tactics used in political debates to shift blame and avoid accountability.
[00:24:00] – Strategies for having better conversations, including finding shared values, hunting for points of agreement, and engaging with intellectual humility.
[00:28:00] – A reflection on balancing justice, kindness, and humility in both personal interactions and global politics, inspired by Micah 6:8.
Featured Quotes
🗣 “We can formulate reasoned positions on complicated issues, including Ukraine, by starting with principles rather than political affiliations.”
🗣 “Opinion is not fact. There’s a difference between listening to a trusted expert and being swayed by a partisan commentator.”
🗣 “What does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God...” – Micah 6:8
Resources Mentioned
- Dr. Russell Moore’s Essay – The Moral Cost of Murdering Ukraine
- Anne Applebaum’s Article – The End of the Post-War World
- Council on Foreign Relations – Ukraine Conflict Updates (CFR)
- Alexander Vindman’s Book – The Folly of Realism: How the West Deceived Itself About Russia and Betrayed Ukraine
- Ross Douthat’s Opinion Piece – Trump and Vance Are Stripping Away Foreign Policy Illusions
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Sunday Mar 02, 2025
Sunday Mar 02, 2025
In this episode we sit down with Congressman Ritchie Torres, a fighter from the Bronx who has spent his life advocating for his community. We discuss pressing issues such as the social safety net, housing inequality, mental health, bipartisanship, and Rep. Torres’ personal journey from public housing to Congress. We also touch on Israel, antisemitism, and the future of American democracy.
What We Discuss:
- How Congressman Torres’ personal experiences with poverty and public housing shaped his political career.
- His perspective on the Republican budget resolution and its impact on working-class Americans.
- Why mental health advocacy is deeply personal to him and the tools he uses to maintain his well-being.
- His unwavering support for Israel and the backlash he has faced because of it.
- Insights on the current political landscape, Donald Trump’s influence, and the need for bipartisanship.
- Whether Rep. Torres is considering a run for governor of New York and what motivates his political aspirations.
- How to engage in better political and religious discussions without hostility.
Episode Highlights:
[00:01:00] Introducing Ritchie Torres – His background, legislative achievements, and what drives him.
[00:02:00] GOP Budget Cuts & Social Safety Net – Why the latest proposal is a “frontal assault” on working-class Americans.
[00:04:00] Personal Story & His Greatest Hero – How being raised by a single mother in the Bronx shaped his worldview.
[00:07:00] Mental Health & Politics – How Rep. Torres overcame depression and why he’s open about talking about mental health.
[00:14:00] Facing Backlash for Supporting Israel – The threats and vitriol he has endured for his stance.
[00:20:00] Avoiding Political Distractions – Why he focuses on core economic issues instead of social media trends.
[00:22:00] Trump 2.0 & The Future of Democracy – His concerns about a second Trump presidency.
[00:25:00] Political Future: Running for Governor? – Why he believes New York needs a new generation of leadership.
[00:27:00] How to Talk Politics Without Killin' Each Other – The importance of intellectual humility and pluralism.
Featured Quotes:
“Before I’m a congressman or a councilman, I’m first and foremost the son of my mother...”
“I refuse to live in fear of the extremes. I insist on doing what I think is right, even if it means standing alone.”
“Not only should civil discourse be possible, it’s a necessity for a pluralistic democracy like ours.”
“If you do the same thing over and over and expect a different result, that’s the definition of insanity.”
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Monday Feb 24, 2025
Monday Feb 24, 2025
In this timely edition of Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other, host Corey Nathan welcomes Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde, the Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington, D.C., and the Washington National Cathedral. Bishop Budde is a well-respected spiritual leader who has appeared on PBS NewsHour, Meet the Press, Good Morning America, and The Today Show.
The conversation dives into Bishop Budde’s faith journey, her reflections on political and social issues, and her approach to leading with grace and courage in divisive times. The discussion also touches on the controversy surrounding her sermon and how she directly addressed Donald Trump at the National Cathedral following the 2025 presidential inauguration.
What We Discuss
- Bishop Budde’s personal faith journey, from her early religious experiences to her leadership in the Episcopal Church.
- The challenges of navigating faith, politics, and national unity in today’s polarized climate.
- How to extend grace and practice mercy even in the face of criticism.
- The role of the church in advocating for social justice, particularly regarding immigration and LGBTQ+ rights.
- Strategies for engaging in difficult conversations while maintaining mutual respect.
Episode Highlights
[00:00:00] – Introduction to the episode and guest, Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde.
[00:02:00] – Bishop Budde shares her faith journey and the struggles she faced reconciling different religious influences.
[00:10:00] – The tension between faith and exclusivity: why some versions of Christianity felt limiting to her.
[00:15:00] – The discipline of grace: choosing to respond with compassion rather than anger, even when faced with opposition.
[00:26:00] – Bishop Budde’s response to the 2025 presidential inauguration sermon controversy and the importance of speaking truth with love.
[00:38:00] – Handling criticism and maintaining a sense of personal and spiritual balance.
[00:52:00] – Finding hope in uncertain times: How we can cultivate a spirit of resilience and faith amid societal challenges.
[00:55:00] – The importance of dialogue: How to foster better conversations across political and religious differences.
[01:03:00] – Final thoughts and how to follow Bishop Budde’s work.
Featured Quotes
"If it’s not about love, it’s not about God." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"The discipline of grace is a practice, not a gift. It’s about choosing to respond with love even when it’s difficult." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"To be raised from the dead—whatever that means in our own lives—requires our consent to live again, to have our hearts broken again, and to take on all of life again." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
"We need to ask ourselves: When was the last time I changed my mind? True dialogue requires being open to seeing the world differently." – Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde
Resources Mentioned
- Bishop Budde’s Book: How We Learn to Be Brave
- Episcopal Diocese of Washington – www.edow.org
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Friday Feb 21, 2025
The #1 Antidote for Toxic Partisanship
Friday Feb 21, 2025
Friday Feb 21, 2025
In this episode, host Corey Nathan takes on one of the biggest challenges in today’s society: toxic partisanship. He explores how political and social divisions have deepened, fueled by media, social networks, and entrenched ideological battles. But rather than just diagnosing the problem, Corey offers a powerful antidote—getting local and engaging in real-life, face-to-face conversations. He draws inspiration from scholars like Jonathan Haidt, Katherine Stewart and Robert Putnam, as well as his personal experiences, to make a compelling case for community-based solutions to polarization.
What We Discuss
✅ The real extent of political division in America—and why it's not as bad as it seems
✅ How social media and national narratives exaggerate our differences
✅ The philosophy of Carl Schmitt and its impact on modern political discourse
✅ Why local engagement—like city council meetings, PTAs, and even bar conversations—is the key to bridging divides
✅ Practical steps to foster meaningful discussions and rebuild relationships
Episode Highlights
⏳ [00:02:00] – The growing problem of toxic partisanship and how social media makes it worse
⏳ [00:05:00] – A study from More in Common shows Americans want unity, but doubt the other side does
⏳ [00:09:00] – Corey shares personal examples of online political attacks and how they reflect broader polarization
⏳ [00:14:00] – A key solution: Local engagement and organizations like Village Square
⏳ [00:17:00] – How shared community goals, like better roads and schools, help bridge ideological divides
⏳ [00:20:00] – The inspiring story of Joe Walsh and Fred Guttenberg: Two ideological opposites who became close friends
⏳ [00:23:00] – The challenge of engaging with people who seem beyond reach—and knowing when to step away
⏳ [00:26:00] – A call to action: Take the first step, invite someone for coffee, and start humanizing one another
Featured Quotes
🗨️ "Division defines the country, but the desire to be united transcends parties." – More in Common study
🗨️ "The number one antidote to toxic partisanship is simply getting together." – Corey Nathan
🗨️ "When you're with each other, you're no longer just a data point—you’re a human being." – Corey Nathan
🗨️ "We don't have to agree on everything to build something better together." – Liz Joyner, Village Square
Resources Mentioned
🔗 Village Square – Bridging divides through local community engagement
🔗 More in Common Study – Research on polarization and unity
🔗 Jonathan Haidt’s Work – Understanding social and political divisions
🔗 Robert Putnam’s Bowling Alone – How community engagement strengthens democracy
🔗 Joe Walsh & Fred Guttenberg’s Story – Bridging the political divide
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